Bill Rountree talks about his book Aliens Are With Us: What I Learned From Aliens Visiting Me Over One Hundred Times Spanning Fifty Years. The title says it all!
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[00:00:54] My guest this time around is Bill Rountree, author of the book, Aliens Are With Us,
[00:00:59] What I Learned From Aliens Visiting Me Over 100 Times, spanning 50 years.
[00:01:04] And that's a great title.
[00:01:06] Well, thanks for having me, Andy.
[00:01:07] Thanks for coming on the show, Bill.
[00:01:09] Glad to be here.
[00:01:09] Yeah. And as the book states in its title, Bill, you've been visited over 100 times.
[00:01:17] And before we even get into your story, I just have to ask right off the bat at the top of the show here,
[00:01:22] are you still being visited?
[00:01:24] When they last spoke to me, it was like in 2016.
[00:01:28] And they said they were no longer going to visit me anymore.
[00:01:31] But I have had a couple of visits since then.
[00:01:35] But maybe I was like, okay, so why did they say that before?
[00:01:38] You know, maybe it's a different group of extraterrestrials that are visiting me.
[00:01:44] So I'm not sure.
[00:01:45] But yes, I'm occasionally getting visited, but not by the same device.
[00:01:48] It used to be a camera-like device that was kind of watching me and monitoring me and doing God knows what.
[00:01:54] But yeah, not by that device any longer.
[00:01:57] Okay. So you kept these encounters fairly private for most of your life.
[00:02:03] What inspired you to share your experiences with the world after keeping it so long to yourself?
[00:02:09] Yeah, well, there's several reasons, you know, usually there's many reasons for things we do.
[00:02:14] But I mean, part of it is just, I just feel like it's absurd to have these kind of experiences and not talk about them.
[00:02:23] You know, I hesitated because I didn't want to affect my career and I didn't want people to think I was nuts and seeing things and that type of thing.
[00:02:30] But it's coming out more and more. So that was part of the reason more and more people are doing it.
[00:02:36] And of course, as you get older, you care less what people think.
[00:02:39] So it's like, okay, whatever. I don't care. I'll just go ahead and throw it out there.
[00:02:42] And I just think people need to know, you know, I'm tired of the big cover up.
[00:02:46] People need to know what's going on.
[00:02:48] People need to come forward and feel free to talk about it.
[00:02:51] So it's kind of a combination of those reasons.
[00:02:54] Yeah. And that actually makes a lot of sense.
[00:02:57] A lot of people don't come forward just because they're, they don't want to be ridiculed.
[00:03:02] They don't want to put their job in danger.
[00:03:04] But you're right. I think we're in a very good place in time right now to be talking about these things.
[00:03:10] Everything kind of lined up perfectly for you.
[00:03:12] Yep, definitely.
[00:03:13] How have your friends and family reacted to your experiences?
[00:03:17] Well, so it's funny you asked that.
[00:03:18] So I've only told two family members because, you know, it's just, you know, it's just kind of uncomfortable talking about it, you know, to people that you're close with.
[00:03:30] I agree.
[00:03:30] So I've told two family members, my son and my cousin actually.
[00:03:36] And, you know, they're both very supportive, especially my cousin.
[00:03:40] My son's, you know, like, well, you're my dad. I believe you type thing.
[00:03:44] Yeah.
[00:03:44] But my cousin, you know, she, she's, she's, you know, very open minded about this type of thing.
[00:03:50] And so, you know, she was very supportive of it.
[00:03:52] And, you know, you know, gives me advice about it from time to time, that sort of thing.
[00:03:57] But that's all I've told so far.
[00:03:58] I feel like, okay, you know, chances are, if a book makes it big, fine, I'm okay with, you know, with telling everybody.
[00:04:07] But if it doesn't, okay, I'll just throw it out there and, you know, you know, won't have to get into it with, you know, a lot of family.
[00:04:13] Because this is such a sensitive subject, especially the religion part of it.
[00:04:17] Yeah.
[00:04:18] So it's just so, you know, it can be divisive for people.
[00:04:23] So I've certainly learned that from Facebook comments, et cetera.
[00:04:27] Yeah, I understand that.
[00:04:30] And talk about a lot of different metaphysical, paranormal, supernatural subjects on this podcast.
[00:04:36] And you're right.
[00:04:37] I come from a very religious background.
[00:04:39] And I was never able to talk about any of my personal experiences that I had with the, I would say the metaphysical on my end.
[00:04:48] I am somebody who practices out-of-body experiences and lucid dreaming.
[00:04:51] And that's kind of been my cue for, I guess, my entry into talking to people like yourself.
[00:04:59] But yeah, you're right.
[00:05:00] When religion and preconceived ideas come into play, there's just so much emotion.
[00:05:07] And so it's such a loaded topic for certain people that there's just certain people you just don't want to talk to about it.
[00:05:14] No, exactly.
[00:05:15] And that's fine.
[00:05:16] Yeah, I kind of put it in like the thirds, you know, a third of the people are going to believe me.
[00:05:19] A third of the people think maybe a third of people won't believe me no matter what.
[00:05:23] Exactly.
[00:05:23] You know, so.
[00:05:25] Yeah.
[00:05:26] And I did try to talk to people about it.
[00:05:28] I tried to talk to my dad about it and brothers and sisters and mother.
[00:05:32] And, you know, of course, they mocked me and, you know, I told them about the thing that was in my room.
[00:05:36] And, you know, they said, okay, show it to me and that type of thing.
[00:05:42] So, and I tried to talk to friends about it.
[00:05:44] And of course, they mocked me also.
[00:05:46] So, okay, I get the picture, keep it to myself.
[00:05:50] So.
[00:05:50] Your encounters began at a very young age.
[00:05:53] Can you take the listeners, I guess, on a trip through those experiences in the early days and talk about what happened?
[00:05:59] Yeah.
[00:06:00] So it began, we moved into a new house when I was seven years old.
[00:06:04] Before that, my brother and I shared a bedroom.
[00:06:07] And so I was in a bedroom by myself when I was seven.
[00:06:09] And I saw something, had no idea what it was.
[00:06:12] You know, it looked real, it looked scary.
[00:06:14] So I ran down to my brother's room and kind of shared his room for a while because he had two, two twin beds.
[00:06:21] And that worked for a little while.
[00:06:23] My parents, my brother was okay with my parents were, but he was like three years older.
[00:06:26] So when I was like about eight years old, he, you know, he had kind of had enough of it.
[00:06:32] He was 11.
[00:06:33] I was eight.
[00:06:34] And so I went back to my room and I continued to see something.
[00:06:38] I wasn't sure what it was, you know.
[00:06:40] So, but you know, the family had a kind of a joke about Billy scared of the eagle in his room.
[00:06:45] Cause it kind of looked like an eagle pointing is what I saw, you know, kind of, I didn't know what it was.
[00:06:49] And so, so then, so when I was about eight, I was back in my room and I slept with like the sheets over my head, you know, just like my mouth and nose open, open to it and slept to my side, scared to look around.
[00:07:08] And then did that for a couple of years.
[00:07:10] That seemed to work.
[00:07:10] And then a couple of years later, it was like a hot summer night and I threw my sheets off and I was laying there and I saw this thing, you know, and I couldn't see it clearly because, you know, the room was dark, but whatever it was, I just watched it for a few minutes, scared to do anything.
[00:07:26] And then I jumped up and kind of, it was between me and my light on my, uh, light to my room.
[00:07:31] So I kind of headed for reaching for it and it kind of like faded away and pulled up at the same time, flip my lights on and just kind of sat there, live, left lights on all night long.
[00:07:42] And then the next day I went to my mother and asked about a nightlight and she kind of smirked.
[00:07:45] I guess she knew, you know, that I was still thinking I was seeing something.
[00:07:50] So, uh, I got a nightlight and then that's when I was able to start seeing it clearly.
[00:07:56] And I saw it, you know, a few times a year.
[00:07:59] It was probably there more than that, just watching me, but I didn't wake up and see it.
[00:08:02] But, but, so I saw it a few times a year.
[00:08:04] Um, and you know, when I first saw it clearly, uh, as I kind of said, it looks like a, it looks like a large camera basically, but it had like a, um, an arm that, that, uh, swivels down and like, yeah.
[00:08:20] So an arm that kind of swivels down.
[00:08:22] So it was just floating about five feet off the floor and I knew whatever it was.
[00:08:26] I was about 10 the first time I saw it clearly.
[00:08:28] I knew whatever it was, was not from this world.
[00:08:30] You know, I was old enough to know that.
[00:08:32] And I sat there motionless in my bed, not moving, you know, just kind of looking at it and I had the nightlight to light it up, light it up well.
[00:08:41] And so, um, after about five minutes, I jumped up and kind of reached for it and it faded away again.
[00:08:47] And, you know, I would, I would sit up all night long often, you know, scared to turn the lights off, scared to go back to sleep because it might return.
[00:08:56] And so that went on for years.
[00:08:58] And finally, like at age 14, uh, it spoke to me for the first time.
[00:09:04] And, um, you know, it said, uh, uh, you humans have come a long way since we left you on the beach thousands of years ago.
[00:09:13] So, so they didn't say they were aliens, but you know, I knew enough to know, okay, they're saying they're not a human.
[00:09:19] Right.
[00:09:19] By that statement.
[00:09:21] And, um, and I knew this device wasn't from, you know, this world.
[00:09:26] So, you know, that's when I kind of started to put things together a little bit about, you know, who they, who they were and why they were visiting me, probably just for like observation and that type thing.
[00:09:38] Um, and yeah, and the, the, you know, uh, the visits continued the rest of my life several times a year.
[00:09:45] But, um, when I was like 17, I, I was alone in the house, uh, and I was sleeping in bed and I heard something that sounded like something being pulled over my bedsheets.
[00:09:58] It was like a sliding kind of noise across the bedsheets and I couldn't move at all.
[00:10:02] Couldn't open my eyes.
[00:10:04] Couldn't move any of my arms, legs or anything.
[00:10:07] And I just laid there every time I tried to move.
[00:10:09] It was like a, it was a, like a force keeping me in place.
[00:10:12] It was like a shock type thing, but it wasn't painful at all.
[00:10:15] It was just like a force keeping me in place.
[00:10:17] Mm-hmm .
[00:10:18] And that lasted probably 15 minutes.
[00:10:21] You know, I should have counted or something to try to figure out the time.
[00:10:23] But, uh, so I'm pretty sure that was a physical visit, but you know, I'm not a hundred percent sure because it's not something I saw.
[00:10:30] Right.
[00:10:30] It's just something I experienced.
[00:10:32] Mm-hmm .
[00:10:32] And that happened again, uh, few months later.
[00:10:36] And after the, actually the first time they came, that's kind of when I talked to my friend and said,
[00:10:40] Hey, have you ever had this happen where, you know, you wake up and you can't move?
[00:10:43] And they're like looking back and forth at each other, smirking, you know?
[00:10:47] And so I quickly changed the subject cause I knew that was going nowhere.
[00:10:51] But, um, it's like I said, it happened again, um, happened again, uh, six months later or so.
[00:10:58] It was pretty similar type thing, you know, kind of same scenario.
[00:11:01] But even though I was 17, you know, I was scared to go back to bed, you know, and just stayed awake all night.
[00:11:07] Um, and then I went off to college and I was in a dorm for a while and fraternity house for a while.
[00:11:13] I never saw it while I was there.
[00:11:15] But, um, when I, uh, I only stayed at college a year or so before I left for a while.
[00:11:22] And I had an apartment with my friends and I saw it there for the first time.
[00:11:27] So, okay, so this thing is not location specific.
[00:11:30] You know, it's the same kind of scenario.
[00:11:32] I didn't have a nightlight, but I had a private bathroom and I left the door cracked with the light on it.
[00:11:37] Because, you know, ever since those first times I've always slept with the light in my room just because, you know, it's just comforting.
[00:11:44] Yeah.
[00:11:45] Um, and then I was dating this girl when I was about 20 and, uh, we were department together and I woke up in the middle of the night and I saw it.
[00:11:55] And, uh, I saw it sitting there watching us.
[00:11:57] And so I just kind of nudged her a little bit and, you know, she didn't do anything and nudged her a little more.
[00:12:01] She didn't do it.
[00:12:02] Then I kind of coughed and pushed her at the same time to try to wake her up.
[00:12:07] And then she's like, what, what do you want?
[00:12:08] What are you doing?
[00:12:10] And, uh, then the thing just faded away.
[00:12:13] So it was like, okay, you know, they don't want anybody else to see it either.
[00:12:17] So that happened many times after that with a wife or girlfriend or whatever.
[00:12:21] So.
[00:12:22] Yeah.
[00:12:23] And I can imagine it had to be fairly traumatizing and confusing when you were a kid having experiences like this.
[00:12:30] Oh yeah.
[00:12:30] It seems like the reaction from friends and family seems to just to be a bit indifferent.
[00:12:38] How did they affect your relationships with your friends and family?
[00:12:42] Well, um, since I didn't go into the details with it, I didn't push the subject.
[00:12:48] Sure.
[00:12:48] You know, I didn't feel like they weren't supporting me because I kind of dropped it pretty quickly.
[00:12:53] Um, you know, that's like when I was 17, when my, when my family, when I was young, when I was eight, I didn't drop it quickly.
[00:13:00] You know, uh, my father went into the room with me and said, okay, show me where it is.
[00:13:04] And is that it?
[00:13:05] Is that it?
[00:13:05] Is that it?
[00:13:06] And finally, that's where this Eagle thing came from.
[00:13:08] I said, sure, maybe that's it.
[00:13:10] But so, you know, you're used to, I'm the baby of the family.
[00:13:13] You're used to being mocked by your, by your siblings and your parents.
[00:13:17] So they were laughing at me and whatever.
[00:13:19] So it didn't really, it didn't really affect relationships because, you know, I didn't put myself out there with it too much.
[00:13:35] Well, I really loved the book.
[00:13:36] I read it twice.
[00:13:37] I love the way that you write, you're right to the, to the point and you tell your story so succinctly.
[00:13:43] But what I loved about it was you didn't, it wasn't that you just shared your story, but you also included relevant research and you talked about how the experiences and the messages that you received shaped your personal beliefs and your worldviews.
[00:13:57] And you just set out to learn more about reincarnation, you looked into near death experiences and other phenomena that we actually talk about on this show almost every episode.
[00:14:09] So can you talk a bit more about the journey of self discovery that was presented to you and how your worldview has changed because of all of this?
[00:14:18] Yeah. So when I was, when I was little, you know, I went to, I went to church and, you know, did the, the prayer every night on bed before I went to sleep and that type thing.
[00:14:28] Um, and, uh, then when they spoke to me, I still didn't kind of like, um, put it all together as far as, you know, God and religion, that type of thing.
[00:14:38] So I got older and I got older and I started looking more into it and reading about, uh, about, uh, like, uh, you know, evolution of man and the missing link and all that type thing.
[00:14:51] And that's when I kind of started thinking, okay, and I know this is an old theory, but you know, there was no internet back then.
[00:14:55] So I didn't, I didn't know about some of these other people that theorized the same thing.
[00:14:59] That's kind of, I started thinking, okay, so maybe this is a missing link.
[00:15:04] They left us on the beach thousands of years ago, you know, maybe they put their genetic information with creatures that lived here type thing.
[00:15:12] Um, and so then I, that's when I started, you know, questioning the whole thing about, you know, is God real?
[00:15:19] And, you know, um, you know, maybe, maybe, you know, these aliens, maybe they like, uh, influenced the, uh, religious people that passed, uh, to try to get people to be moral and live a good moral life.
[00:15:35] And the more research I did, the more I kind of, you know, came to believe that.
[00:15:40] Um, and then after I wrote this book, I came across, uh, the, uh, Jimmy Carter episode.
[00:15:47] Have you heard about that where Jimmy Carter had a briefing with someone?
[00:15:51] Yes.
[00:15:51] Okay. Yeah.
[00:15:52] So when I heard that it's like, and this was like an ex NASA, uh, researcher or something like that.
[00:15:58] I think it was a person that saw it where Jimmy Carter, you know, said basically that, uh, well, he didn't say it, but they said that they had talked to Jimmy Carter saying, you know, that, uh, uh, aliens are, you know, are the created humans.
[00:16:16] And, uh, they said he had problems with it for weeks afterwards.
[00:16:19] When I read that, I was like, oh my gosh, there's just more corroboration of, you know, what I've come to believe through, through, through my life.
[00:16:25] Um, and then another time I talk about in my book too, uh, as far as reincarnation, I, I've always had this, this, you know, vision, especially when I'm laying down on the sofa that, you know, my feet are pulled up in the air type thing, you know, uh, you know, it's just a strange feeling.
[00:16:42] And one, one day, uh, when I was kind of in between jobs and school, I was like 20 years old, packed the car up and just started heading West, uh, started heading out towards, uh, like, uh, you know, Colorado, et cetera.
[00:16:55] So I made it to Nebraska, pulled off on this remote, you know, this random exit, drove a few miles through this town.
[00:17:03] I'd never been to before and ended up at a park and started reading about someone that died in World War II, that he's from this town.
[00:17:10] He was in POW camp, a Japanese POW camp, you know, where they would do things like pull people up by their feet.
[00:17:18] And I just started sobbing, you know, when I was reading about it and just felt this connection with this person.
[00:17:23] And I got in my car and drove back home and, you know, that was the extent of my trip.
[00:17:28] And that's, that's just, you know, looking back on, it's like, you know, wow, you know, so that just kind of gave more credence to me personally, as far as the belief in reincarnation.
[00:17:38] And then more research I did for my book, you know, I came across other stories that just fascinating stories about people, you know, especially young, young children, uh, having, uh, recollections about something they couldn't have known about otherwise.
[00:17:51] Yeah. I talked with a consciousness researcher recently, uh, Nancy Trevelato, uh, from Portugal, and she was telling me about how she spent years studying and talking with children about their past life experiences.
[00:18:04] And the amount of evidence that she's compiled is just phenomenal.
[00:18:10] And all of it points to reincarnation or some sort of past life experience.
[00:18:16] Yeah.
[00:18:16] That's amazing, isn't it?
[00:18:17] Yeah, it is.
[00:18:18] Absolutely.
[00:18:19] Yeah, it definitely is.
[00:18:20] So, you know, I'll kind of talk in my book also as far as, so my, my wife passed away.
[00:18:25] Uh, the woman I had my, our son with, uh, she passed away when he was 11.
[00:18:29] And, um, this thing about, you know, when I was, my son moved to California and he said he loved it. He's never, never leaving.
[00:18:35] I was living in Atlanta at the time.
[00:18:37] And I was kind of in between jobs and girlfriends or whatever.
[00:18:41] And I said, I think I'll move to California for a while.
[00:18:43] And that's when they spoke to me the second time.
[00:18:46] They said, now that you're living in California, we won't visit you again.
[00:18:50] And I'm like, you know, and they faded away.
[00:18:52] And I'm like, what the heck is that supposed to mean?
[00:18:54] It's such a cryptic message.
[00:18:55] You got closer to the beach.
[00:18:57] Yeah.
[00:18:58] Right.
[00:18:58] Exactly.
[00:18:59] Yeah.
[00:19:01] So I thought at first I was thinking, well, maybe they're saving me for some natural disaster that's going to happen or a terrorist attack or something like that.
[00:19:08] And none of that happened.
[00:19:10] And years later, I was, I was at my house, a house in outside of Tahoe.
[00:19:14] I was there and had this, what I thought was like a visit from my former wife.
[00:19:18] And that's when I kind of started thinking, okay, you know, it is for me to be there to support our son.
[00:19:23] And that's kind of what tied it together with me as far as, you know, that when tied together my beliefs, as far as when we die, our souls don't go away.
[00:19:36] You know, they, they come back and they kind of support us through our lives.
[00:19:41] And these are kind of probably the angels that, that people believe in.
[00:19:45] And, you know, I read like 70% of adults in the United States believe in angels.
[00:19:51] So to me, it's like, okay, if you don't believe in God, you believe in aliens, you believe in angels.
[00:19:56] I mean, the aliens have to have some sort of, some sort of relationship there.
[00:20:02] At least to me, they do.
[00:20:03] Angels, spirit guides, whatever you want to call them.
[00:20:06] Yeah.
[00:20:06] It's a pretty widely experienced phenomena.
[00:20:10] And, you know, it's interesting how your discovery of all of this with the extraterrestrials and your visitations with them, it kind of paved the way to your own spiritual awakening and your evolution.
[00:20:23] I think that we all sort of evolve in our lifetime in the sense that something clicks and that opens us up to the metaphysical, the supernatural and the paranormal.
[00:20:34] Yeah, definitely.
[00:20:35] What do you feel was their ultimate goal for visiting you aside from, you know, you talk about how you felt that moving to California to be close to your son was sort of influenced by that visitation, I believe, by your wife, correct?
[00:21:19] Mm-hmm. Yep.
[00:21:19] And I think that makes us tick, you know, since they spoke to me telepathically, I'm sure they can read our brain.
[00:21:24] They know what I'm thinking, that type thing.
[00:21:25] So I think part of it was that.
[00:21:27] And I think part of it also was, like I said, my former wife, maybe, you know, maybe it was kind of preordained that she was going to pass away.
[00:21:36] And, you know, she may be involved with, you know, that visit also maybe or other souls I've been related to or involved with in the past.
[00:21:47] And maybe it's just kind of given me a connection to to feel like I'm not alone, which for someone who doesn't believe in God anymore, it's very comforting to me what, you know, these experiences I've had.
[00:22:01] And it kind of makes me feel like I'm not alone.
[00:22:04] And when I do die, you know, I'll be, stay connected with these people.
[00:22:08] Once you have an experience that shows you that we are definitely more than just this life that we live here on earth, that there's more after, there was more before, it does something to your brain.
[00:22:21] It, it fixes a lot of, of the questions, the problems, a lot of the stress, a lot of just unhappiness.
[00:22:30] And it changes you for the better.
[00:22:32] It's such an enlightening experience.
[00:22:34] Yeah, it is.
[00:22:35] Very true.
[00:22:37] Well said.
[00:22:38] Yeah.
[00:22:38] Very comforting.
[00:22:40] And, you know, yeah, it's just the belief in God to me is like, okay, you know, where did he come from?
[00:22:49] Sure.
[00:22:49] You know, doing all this, it's just kind of hard for me to believe.
[00:22:52] Hey, yeah.
[00:22:53] I'm somebody who was raised very religious.
[00:22:55] I went through Bible quizzing where, uh, competed by memorizing Bible scripture and going to quizzes.
[00:23:03] I left the church when I was around 17.
[00:23:05] I became an atheist.
[00:23:06] And then I went from believing in God to believing in absolutely nothing.
[00:23:10] Hmm.
[00:23:11] And that was a really dark time because there seems to be a lot of happy atheists that don't believe in anything supernatural.
[00:23:16] They simply believe in this physical realm.
[00:23:19] And when we're done, we're done.
[00:23:20] And they seem to be happy with that.
[00:23:22] And that's good for them.
[00:23:24] But I was so unhappy thinking like that and living like that.
[00:23:28] And so unhappy to the point that in my 30s when I was presented with some health issues and a lot of struggles in life, like life just decided to give me a beating.
[00:23:38] Uh, I went back to religion and I was having spiritual experiences during meditation and prayer.
[00:23:46] And I was like, this is definitely evidence that I need to go back to God and I need to go back to religion.
[00:23:52] And I struggled with it so hard because it just felt like such a narrow scope of things in existence.
[00:24:01] It just didn't line up that there's just this one story from this collection of books throughout history.
[00:24:08] And that's the explanation for everything ever in existence.
[00:24:13] And I struggled with that, but I gave into it because I was experiencing something very spiritual, very transformative.
[00:24:22] And when I started to look more into things like reincarnation and astral projection and out-of-body experiences, all these things that I have been experiencing through life that I thought were religious experiences.
[00:24:39] And I started to talk to experts in those fields, especially on this show.
[00:24:44] It really showed me that the picture is so much bigger than scripture.
[00:24:49] It's so much bigger than just the history that we know here on earth.
[00:24:53] It's just unknowable.
[00:24:55] We're not going to understand it.
[00:24:56] And I tried so hard to find the answers in religion, but they just weren't there for me.
[00:25:02] And I had those same experiences, those same spiritual transformative experiences when I abandoned dogmatic religion and the Abrahamic religions.
[00:25:12] When I abandoned them, I still had my experiences, my astral projections, these amazing experiences.
[00:25:19] And that was just proof to me that, no, it's bigger than this.
[00:25:22] Yes, God is love.
[00:25:23] God is the universe.
[00:25:24] God is this amazing energy that we all can manipulate and experience.
[00:25:30] And God is everything.
[00:25:32] But that's just a word.
[00:25:33] And it's just the best way that we can describe something that's indescribable.
[00:25:41] Yeah.
[00:25:42] You know what I mean?
[00:25:43] That's so funny.
[00:25:44] Because I still, I did this hike last year called the Camino de Santiago across Spain.
[00:25:49] When I was doing it, I mean, I would thank God sometimes for the ability to be able to do it.
[00:25:54] I still do.
[00:25:55] Yeah, exactly.
[00:25:56] I do too.
[00:25:56] Exactly.
[00:25:58] I mean, God, like you say, is just a word to encompass the beings that help us through life and support us.
[00:26:08] Yeah.
[00:26:09] Yeah.
[00:26:09] That's funny.
[00:26:10] When I was 17, it was about the same time when I, you know, kind of stopped believing in God.
[00:26:14] And, you know, I used to remember talking with my friends saying, oh, yeah, when we die, we're just going to get eaten by worms.
[00:26:20] And that's it.
[00:26:21] You know, and that, like you say, is such a sad state of mind to be in.
[00:26:25] And so, you know, when I started putting together all these visits and, you know, come up with some more ideas, that's when, you know, I kind of like, it kind of finally clicked for me.
[00:26:42] We hear countless stories from people who have been visited by aliens or extraterrestrials.
[00:26:48] And the thing is, the majority of them seem to be so unpleasant or just downright terrifying, particularly when they involve what we know as the gray aliens.
[00:27:02] When, you know, taking your story into account and a few others, because they're not very common, it seems like there is a small percentage of these visitors who are not malevolent.
[00:27:13] But we hear far less of these kinds of stories.
[00:27:17] Do you have any theories on why that is?
[00:27:19] Or have you thought about that at all?
[00:27:21] Oh, yeah, I definitely thought about it often.
[00:27:25] Sometimes I wonder if they present themselves to you in whatever way they think works for you that you can handle.
[00:27:32] You know, maybe that's why I saw this device versus little aliens running around the room type thing.
[00:27:37] Some people do.
[00:27:37] That may be part of it.
[00:27:39] And part of it could be whoever your connection is to the, you know, other world.
[00:27:47] Maybe they're kind of protecting you.
[00:27:49] You know, maybe they're making it easier for you.
[00:27:51] You know, maybe they feel like you're not able to handle it.
[00:27:55] You know, that could be part of it.
[00:27:56] Right.
[00:27:56] I've also thought there maybe there are some aliens from different planets that are malevolent.
[00:28:04] You know, that's probably also possible.
[00:28:07] But also kind of talk about in my books is like I kind of think they're benevolent besides the way I've been treated and, you know, the feelings I've gotten from them.
[00:28:16] But also it's like they're if they wanted to be malevolent, they certainly could.
[00:28:21] But they appear to be hiding from us, trying to trying to not show themselves to us.
[00:28:27] You know, they could certainly wipe out the human race in a day or two if they wanted to.
[00:28:34] But just, you know, some sort of genetic modifications or some germs or, you know, some other means.
[00:28:40] You know, some people say, OK, they want to keep us for slaves or whatever, but I just find that hard to believe.
[00:28:45] I think there's more to it.
[00:28:47] So you're retired now.
[00:28:49] In fact, you told me that you just got back from a road trip recently.
[00:28:53] And now that you have a little bit more time to yourself and your thoughts, are you putting any of that time into more research or even trying to contact them yourself or explore the phenomenon even deeper?
[00:29:06] Or are you just happy with your experience and to move on?
[00:29:10] I'm kind of happy with my experience.
[00:29:11] I kind of feel like I know what I know, you know, and that's one reason I kind of didn't read other books.
[00:29:17] It's like I kind of didn't want other people's experiences to pollute mine.
[00:29:22] I want to keep mine.
[00:29:23] Sure.
[00:29:24] You know, as they are just because I'm happy with them.
[00:29:27] But I still do other research out of curiosity sometimes.
[00:29:30] I actually, you know, put a blog along with my website just, you know, finding some a lot of really interesting information.
[00:29:37] So it's kind of like having fun with it, you know, with my spare time.
[00:29:41] But I'm more open now to them visiting me if they would like than I used to be, certainly.
[00:29:49] Right.
[00:29:49] But still, the last time I feel sure they visited me was a couple of years ago when I was in Tahoe.
[00:29:59] This was, you know, so I was in Tahoe by myself and it just snowed.
[00:30:05] There was a lot of snow on the roof and I'd been there, you know, hundreds of times of snow on the roof.
[00:30:09] Have a Chateau style house.
[00:30:11] So the roof is like right over my head.
[00:30:13] And I woke up like five in the morning to go to the bathroom and got back in bed.
[00:30:16] And I heard something that I've never heard before on the roof.
[00:30:20] I felt like it had to be someone walking around the roof.
[00:30:23] You know, the noise is too odd.
[00:30:25] And I've heard plenty of noises on the roof.
[00:30:27] It's sliding snow, shifting snow, all that sort of stuff.
[00:30:30] And this was 100% different.
[00:30:32] And so I laid there scared, you know, for like 20 minutes, you know, just listening to it.
[00:30:36] And then it stopped.
[00:30:39] It went away.
[00:30:39] And I went outside and I actually include this picture of this in my book.
[00:30:43] I went outside and the snow was just, you know, perfect blanket, kind of untouched.
[00:30:48] But there were tracks starting or stopping in the middle of my yard going right up to my house,
[00:30:53] right up to the back of my house where I heard this noise.
[00:30:56] And they were like, you know, it was like a walking pattern.
[00:30:59] And they were like, you know, two inches wide, 14 inches long.
[00:31:03] They weren't very huge, like maybe little skis or something.
[00:31:06] I don't know.
[00:31:07] Snowshoes, you know, alien snowshoes.
[00:31:09] But it was just bizarre.
[00:31:10] It started in the middle of the yard and went to my house and it was a walking pattern.
[00:31:14] Yeah.
[00:31:14] And so I asked a friend of mine who's a mountain man in Colorado, a big hunter, if, you know,
[00:31:19] showed him the picture, said, you know, do you have any ideas what could have caused this?
[00:31:23] He said, you know, he came up with something about a bird of prey dragging a mouse or something.
[00:31:28] But, you know, he said, that doesn't make sense.
[00:31:29] And he didn't know anything about my book.
[00:31:32] He said, the only thing else it could be is like an alien.
[00:31:34] And, you know, he just kind of like jokingly, but it's like, okay.
[00:31:38] You know, it's just like, you know, I don't know.
[00:31:41] So that was an experience I had recently that, you know, was amazing to me.
[00:31:49] I had some physical evidence, but, you know, no one's going to believe anything.
[00:31:53] I could have a picture of an alien and someone's going to say it's faked, you know.
[00:31:56] If you're one of those third that's not going to believe it, nothing's going to change your mind.
[00:32:00] Exactly.
[00:32:01] I do have to admit the cover of the book definitely had me a bit confused at first until I actually finished it and looked at it again.
[00:32:08] And then it all made sense.
[00:32:10] The eyes, the beach, the camera.
[00:32:12] Yeah.
[00:32:12] Yeah.
[00:32:13] Can you tell us a bit about that dream that inspired that portion of the artwork that you chose for the book as far as your wife visiting you?
[00:32:22] Just a little bit more detail.
[00:32:23] Tell.
[00:32:24] So I never really had dreamed about her before.
[00:32:28] Right.
[00:32:29] And this was when I was at Tahoe again just a few years ago.
[00:32:33] And I was at my house and I just, you know, I had this really vivid dream of her visiting me.
[00:32:39] And all I really saw were her eyes.
[00:32:41] You know, I didn't see the rest of her face, which was kind of odd.
[00:32:43] It makes me wonder, you know, if, you know, the rest of her face may not be human.
[00:32:49] You know, just these eyes.
[00:32:50] Those were her eyes because she had, you know, a certain look to her eyes.
[00:32:56] And I woke up and I, you know, it was a very comforting kind of dream.
[00:33:01] I felt very safe and secure and comfortable and content.
[00:33:05] And woke up and, you know, just felt like 100% she had just visited me.
[00:33:11] Obviously, there was no proof.
[00:33:14] But just, you know, I had that feeling, you know.
[00:33:17] And like I said, I've, you know, she passed away, you know, like over 20 years ago.
[00:33:21] I've never had that, you know, dream before about her like that.
[00:33:24] And so it was just, you know, that's when I felt like I kind of put it together.
[00:33:28] Okay, this, you know, now that you're, that's kind of why I put together her being involved with, you know, the spirits or souls that are visiting me.
[00:33:38] And possibly being the one that spoke to me about now that you're living in California.
[00:33:43] So, and that's kind of why that component of the book is there.
[00:33:46] So it's her eyes, footprints on the beach, and then the device kind of.
[00:33:50] Those are kind of the reason for the selection.
[00:33:55] And again, like I said, it was a great book.
[00:33:58] I really enjoyed it.
[00:33:59] But I enjoyed it because it was so different than what I expected.
[00:34:02] Oh, really? Yeah.
[00:34:03] Yeah, yeah.
[00:34:04] I mean, I've read a lot of extraterrestrial focused books on people's experiences.
[00:34:10] And like I said, they all tend to be very, very scary, very disturbing, and also very similar.
[00:34:19] They're all very similar.
[00:34:21] This was just so different and so unique.
[00:34:23] Such a different experience that it almost makes me think that it's not necessarily aliens, like something from another planet or another solar system, you know, flying around through space.
[00:34:34] It almost makes me feel like your story is more of a story of a visitation by beings from another astral realm that are somehow responsible for our existence and for our evolution and for this simulation that we live in.
[00:34:57] You know what I mean?
[00:34:58] I don't even think that aliens is necessarily the title that we have to give these beings because it's just so unique and it's so different from everybody else's experience with aliens.
[00:35:08] Yeah, I agree.
[00:35:09] I mean, I kind of thought, you know, well, you know, how do I know they're aliens?
[00:35:13] You know, they could be, you know, like you said, it could be a different realm they're in or they could be from the future or that type thing.
[00:35:20] But when they said, you know, we left you on the beach thousands of years ago makes sense they're not humans.
[00:35:25] Exactly.
[00:35:25] But, you know, yeah, no, I agree.
[00:35:28] My experience is different than most.
[00:35:30] And I actually started reading, what's that book by Stryber?
[00:35:37] Oh, yeah, Communion.
[00:35:38] Communion.
[00:35:39] That's so funny.
[00:35:40] I started reading that about 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
[00:35:43] It's like, okay, I'm not reading this anymore.
[00:35:45] This thing is creepy.
[00:35:46] It's a very scary book.
[00:35:48] Actually, I'm in a book club with some of the listeners from one of my other podcasts.
[00:35:53] It's more horror focused.
[00:35:55] And that's the book that we just read is Communion.
[00:35:58] Oh, really?
[00:35:58] Yeah.
[00:35:58] We're going to get together and talk about that soon.
[00:36:01] That's so funny.
[00:36:01] But yeah, it was a very scary book.
[00:36:03] It was.
[00:36:04] And it just went on and on about the most terrifying of experiences.
[00:36:08] Exactly.
[00:36:09] So, like, I did not, you know, I didn't want to think about it because I didn't want to possibly have to face that someday.
[00:36:15] Yeah, exactly.
[00:36:16] Yeah.
[00:36:16] Just the cover alone has been said to invoke just fear.
[00:36:22] Oh, I know.
[00:36:22] Exactly.
[00:36:23] And PTSD in a lot of people that have had experiences with those grays.
[00:36:26] So, yeah, that's a rough book.
[00:36:29] Yeah.
[00:36:29] There is one moment or one experience I talked about in my book, too, as far as when I saw it again in my house in Tau, which is kind of strange, you know.
[00:36:38] But yeah, maybe it was the different beings that were visiting me there that were doing than the ones in the camera.
[00:36:47] You know, we won't visit you anymore.
[00:36:48] Maybe these were different groups.
[00:36:49] But anyway, so I was in there.
[00:36:51] I woke up.
[00:36:53] Well, I'm sorry.
[00:36:54] I didn't back up a little bit.
[00:36:55] Before I woke up, I was laying there in bed and had this feeling that I was being, you know, circulating, going up.
[00:37:02] And I looked down and I saw Earth fading away.
[00:37:05] And it was just the most bizarre thing.
[00:37:07] Again, I'm like 60-something years old.
[00:37:09] Never had any kind of dream like that before.
[00:37:11] It could have been a dream.
[00:37:12] But then I felt like Earth was going away.
[00:37:15] Then all of a sudden, bam, I'm back.
[00:37:17] And I just jumped up, sat bolt upright in bed.
[00:37:21] I felt so – I wasn't going to stand up, but I was way too dizzy to stand up.
[00:37:24] I had to, like, steady myself with my arms.
[00:37:27] And so I kind of felt like that was – you know, I had possibly been taken away from Earth for a brief period of time.
[00:37:34] You know, there was no missing time and all that sort of things people talk about because, you know, I don't have a clock near my bed.
[00:37:40] It disturbs me to look at what time it is in the middle of the night.
[00:37:42] But – so, yeah, that was kind of like I felt like maybe I was actually abducted at that point.
[00:37:48] But, you know, again, I brought my section – my book into two sections, what I know and what I believe.
[00:37:53] That's in the what I believe section because, you know, the other stuff I'm 100% sure, you know, has happened.
[00:37:59] These other ones, okay.
[00:38:01] You know, maybe it was an abduction, maybe it wasn't.
[00:38:03] But these encounters that you had and that have, I guess, stopped somewhere around 2016, were they unexpected?
[00:38:13] Like, were you always surprised or did you somehow know that when they were going to occur?
[00:38:17] The device watching me, that was pretty much expected.
[00:38:24] I was never really surprised when I saw it.
[00:38:27] You know, I always kind of wished they would go away and leave me alone, you know, type thing.
[00:38:32] So that never really surprised me.
[00:38:35] I got, you know, so used to it sometimes I'd just roll over on the other side and go to sleep.
[00:38:39] You know, let them watch me while you want type thing.
[00:38:41] But the other ones were surprising, yes.
[00:38:44] There is a phenomenon where you will wake up to something scary happening, whether that be a shadow person in your room, an alien, or something being otherworldly in your room.
[00:38:58] And there's this phenomenon where instead of reacting to it, being scared, turning on the lights, people will just go back to sleep.
[00:39:06] They'll just fall right back to sleep.
[00:39:08] And this happens pretty often.
[00:39:10] This happened to the co-host of my other podcast, Odd Trails.
[00:39:13] He woke up to these loud booms going on in his house, like indescribable booms.
[00:39:20] Not like somebody was banging on something, but like a gunshot almost was going off in his house.
[00:39:24] It was three loud booms.
[00:39:26] He woke up, but instead of getting up to investigate or anything, he just goes back to sleep.
[00:39:32] It's almost like he was lulled back to sleep by something.
[00:39:35] Yeah, it sounds like that's interesting.
[00:39:37] Yeah, and he got up the next day and talked to his son about it, and his son heard it too.
[00:39:41] It wasn't just him.
[00:39:42] Wow.
[00:39:42] But both of them just went back to sleep.
[00:39:45] Yeah.
[00:39:45] I don't understand that.
[00:39:46] That's happened to me before, like I said, with shadow people.
[00:39:48] I've had shadow people experiences and sleep paralysis in the past, and I just ended up going right back to sleep.
[00:39:55] There was one.
[00:39:56] I'm not sure if you're familiar with shadow people and sleep paralysis.
[00:39:59] Yes, I am.
[00:40:00] Yeah.
[00:40:00] Okay.
[00:40:01] Okay.
[00:40:01] Well, there was one sleep paralysis experience that I had.
[00:40:04] It was very early in the morning when I woke up and I couldn't move.
[00:40:07] But instead of seeing something in my room, I felt a physical finger touch my lips like it was trying to shush me and push really hard on my lips.
[00:40:19] Hmm.
[00:40:19] And I felt my lips move like I was physically affected by this being.
[00:40:26] And it took a little while for me to wake up.
[00:40:28] I didn't go back to sleep this time, but I woke up and my lips were hurting.
[00:40:34] I felt, you know, I had a mark on my lips from how hard this thing was pushing down on my lips.
[00:40:41] And there are malevolent beings out there.
[00:40:45] There are definitely malevolent beings.
[00:40:47] I'm just happy that you didn't have to experience any of those.
[00:40:50] And you've had such an enlightening experience with your visitations.
[00:40:56] It was such a, I guess, it was so refreshing to read your book.
[00:41:01] But have you talked to any friends or family that have had experiences or encounters with alien beings or anything supernatural?
[00:41:10] Or have you reached out to connect with somebody that has?
[00:41:13] Yeah, actually, I've had several people tell me, you know,
[00:41:19] the thing that you hear often about being a child and, you know, having an imaginary friend.
[00:41:23] And, you know, when you're a child, you see it, you know, type thing.
[00:41:27] And that's part of that seems to happen way too often to be a coincidence.
[00:41:31] Right.
[00:41:31] But I've had some people reach out to me, like through my website that I created, which, you know, put a form on it, you know, trying to hope, you know, people would use it and be able to talk about what they've experienced.
[00:41:42] And I've had some people reach out to that, asking me questions, telling me about their other experiences.
[00:41:47] And actually, it's funny.
[00:41:50] So I'm on a dating site looking for someone, you know, this was a year ago or something.
[00:41:54] Nothing that long because the book hasn't been out that long.
[00:41:57] Five months ago, whatever.
[00:41:58] Anyway, so I was talking to this girl and I had called her.
[00:42:02] So she had my name and phone number.
[00:42:04] So she Googled me to find out about me.
[00:42:06] And so we were talking for like 30 minutes.
[00:42:08] And she goes, so I see you're an author.
[00:42:10] And I was like, oh, here we go.
[00:42:12] And I said, yeah, yeah.
[00:42:14] So you saw my book.
[00:42:15] And she said, yeah.
[00:42:16] And she goes, she was a very religious person.
[00:42:19] And she says, well, I have the angel that visits me often in my room.
[00:42:24] And he says, you know, a little four foot tall, approximately angel.
[00:42:28] And she goes, you know, it's very comforting to me.
[00:42:32] It's a very pleasant, comforting experience.
[00:42:34] And I made some comment, well, it sounds like an alien to me, which wasn't a smart thing to say.
[00:42:39] Because, you know, that kind of turned her off.
[00:42:41] And she, no, it's not.
[00:42:42] It's an angel, you know.
[00:42:44] So it's just interesting.
[00:42:47] You know, once you start talking about it, these other people coming out and talking about their experiences.
[00:42:52] It really is.
[00:42:54] Yeah, you're right.
[00:42:55] Yeah.
[00:42:55] And like I said, with our other podcast, it's a bit more horror-based, odd trails.
[00:43:00] We get listener experiences, talk about them on the show.
[00:43:04] And exactly when you start talking about it, it's almost like you turn on some type of device that people are attracted to, that attracts stories, that attracts experiences and other people to come to you.
[00:43:21] And so many people just wanted to share their stories that never wanted to share their stories before.
[00:43:28] Yeah.
[00:43:28] Because they heard somebody talk about something that was so similar to what they experienced that they thought was so unique and personal.
[00:43:36] And people are corroborating these fantastic experiences left and right on our podcast because they're finding out, oh, no, so many other people have been visited by something.
[00:43:48] Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it?
[00:43:49] Yeah.
[00:43:49] You know, the more you talk, the more people come out and talk about theirs.
[00:43:52] You know, it's like I think it happens a lot more often than we realize.
[00:43:57] Yeah.
[00:43:57] And the internet has definitely been the most valuable tool for discovery as far as any type of phenomena goes.
[00:44:05] Yeah.
[00:44:06] Yeah, definitely.
[00:44:06] Yeah.
[00:44:07] Which, you know, was one reason I kept quiet about it for so long.
[00:44:10] When I was growing up, there was no internet.
[00:44:11] Yeah.
[00:44:12] You know, so I felt like I was pretty much alone.
[00:44:14] So.
[00:44:15] Yeah.
[00:44:15] I can imagine.
[00:44:17] Yeah.
[00:44:18] Yeah.
[00:44:47] Yeah.
[00:44:54] I can imagine.
[00:45:15] I can imagine.
[00:45:15] I can imagine.
[00:45:16] There's a whole astral world beyond ours.
[00:45:21] Worlds upon worlds upon worlds.
[00:45:23] And things going on that some of us are able to see and experience.
[00:45:28] Some of us are not.
[00:45:29] Some of us just get a little glimpse like you and I.
[00:45:31] Yeah.
[00:45:31] A tiny little glimpse.
[00:45:32] Yeah, exactly.
[00:45:36] There is.
[00:45:36] It seemed like when people like meditate and do things like that, that's when they open themselves up to it.
[00:45:41] Yeah.
[00:45:41] I think it has to do with aligning the heart and the brain and kind of shedding our physical realm.
[00:45:49] That's kind of what meditation does for you.
[00:45:51] It helps you to kind of shed the physical and tap into that spiritual.
[00:45:56] And you're right.
[00:45:57] I think that meditation allows us to sort of get a taste, like a taste of that, that world.
[00:46:03] Yeah.
[00:46:03] Yeah.
[00:46:04] Yeah.
[00:46:04] It's amazing and interesting stuff.
[00:46:06] Now I'm going to have to do more research.
[00:46:09] Yeah.
[00:46:09] I recommend listening to the episodes of the show once we release this season.
[00:46:14] I think you'll get a kick out of it.
[00:46:16] So yeah, my experience, I haven't talked about it on the show yet, but I've talked about it on other podcasts.
[00:46:22] It was years ago.
[00:46:23] I was living with my parents for a short time after I lost my apartment and I was driving home late at night on this two-lane road.
[00:46:31] I'm sure you're familiar with Yuba County, Yuba City.
[00:46:34] Yes.
[00:46:34] As you've said, you've lived in Sacramento, right?
[00:46:37] Yeah, I used to.
[00:46:37] Okay.
[00:46:38] Yeah.
[00:46:38] I'm still close to Sacramento, but yeah, I was driving on this two-lane road in Yuba County in the middle of nowhere near some orchards.
[00:46:48] And I see this bright light in the sky and I look up while I'm driving and I'm like, oh, it's just a helicopter or whatever.
[00:46:53] I wonder who they're looking for.
[00:46:54] But the thing is, it starts coming closer and closer to the point where it's maybe, I don't know, maybe 50 to 100 feet above me, maybe even closer.
[00:47:01] It's hard to remember now.
[00:47:03] And I've told the story so many times that I get confused.
[00:47:05] Yeah.
[00:47:05] But it got so close that I had to roll down my window.
[00:47:10] I wanted to listen to what was going on if I could hear, you know, because they have like a megaphone or something.
[00:47:17] Were they talking to people?
[00:47:19] Could I hear anything?
[00:47:20] And I couldn't hear anything.
[00:47:21] It was just quiet.
[00:47:22] It was just this big bright light.
[00:47:24] And I pull over and get out of the car and this other guy pulls over behind me because he sees it too.
[00:47:31] He gets out of the car and we both look up at this bright light that's right above our heads, not making any noise, what we thought was a helicopter.
[00:47:39] And I go to talk to the guy while it's basically there.
[00:47:43] It goes, it shoots back up into the sky when I'm going to talk to him.
[00:47:47] It just disappears.
[00:47:50] And I ask him, you know, hey, did you see that?
[00:47:52] What was that?
[00:47:53] He didn't speak English.
[00:47:55] So we couldn't communicate in any way.
[00:47:57] He was Indian.
[00:47:58] We had no way to communicate.
[00:48:01] And this was before everybody had cell phones.
[00:48:04] I don't even think he had a cell phone.
[00:48:05] We couldn't exchange information or anything.
[00:48:07] So I just, I went back to my car and I drove home with this weird encounter.
[00:48:13] But what's crazier about it is the next morning when I woke up, there was a handprint outside of my window on the side of the house.
[00:48:24] It was a black handprint, a very big hand with long fingers.
[00:48:29] And the thing is, there's no overhang.
[00:48:34] There's no way for anybody to get up there to that window without a ladder.
[00:48:37] There's no tree close by.
[00:48:40] So I go up to my room and I reach out my window and I kind of rub the handprint to see what it is.
[00:48:47] Was it dirt?
[00:48:48] Was it paint or something?
[00:48:49] And it comes off like ash almost.
[00:48:52] Like it smears like ash.
[00:48:54] And I, you know, I showed it to my dad and he's like, oh, that's weird.
[00:48:56] And we went on with our day and that was that.
[00:48:59] I didn't really connect it with the light that I saw for some reason.
[00:49:03] It just didn't really connect at the time.
[00:49:05] And it's amazing.
[00:49:06] I went back and visited him last year and the handprint is still there.
[00:49:10] There's still a little bit of a remnant of the handprint.
[00:49:12] I took a picture of it.
[00:49:14] It's still there.
[00:49:15] Like some of it is like burned into the house.
[00:49:17] It's a, it's very weird.
[00:49:19] You know, that's interesting.
[00:49:20] That's an amazing story.
[00:49:21] But it makes you wonder, how do they keep finding us?
[00:49:23] I mean, I've heard this thing about nasal implants.
[00:49:26] They put nasal implants in you to track you like some tracking device.
[00:49:29] Yeah.
[00:49:30] Or maybe they're able to via our brain waves.
[00:49:32] It just makes you wonder how, once we connect with them, how do they keep finding us all the time?
[00:49:37] Right.
[00:49:37] You know, it's just, yeah.
[00:49:39] And I guess they keep coming back to us because they know we're not going to totally freak out.
[00:49:43] You know, we're used to it.
[00:49:45] We're, I don't know.
[00:49:47] Or maybe they keep coming back because there are angels.
[00:49:49] I mean, I don't know.
[00:49:49] There's so many questions, you know.
[00:49:51] Yeah.
[00:49:51] I don't think that we will know until we move on to the next adventure after this life.
[00:49:57] Yeah, exactly.
[00:49:58] I think you're right.
[00:49:59] And those U.S. governments will never admit anything.
[00:50:03] No, of course not.
[00:50:05] Are you kidding me?
[00:50:06] No, exactly.
[00:50:07] They're just going to keep collecting our taxes and lining their pockets.
[00:50:12] So, what's next for Bill Roundtree?
[00:50:14] Do you expect to uncover more about the aliens or explore this anymore?
[00:50:19] Or do you think that you've learned all you're allowed to uncover at this point?
[00:50:24] Well, I think I may do another edition of my book.
[00:50:27] Good.
[00:50:28] Yeah.
[00:50:30] There's some information I left out before because the person that was involved with it.
[00:50:34] It was actually a person, another person's experience and I was with them.
[00:50:38] And at the time, she didn't want to be part of the book, but now she's changed her mind.
[00:50:42] So, I'm going to kind of add that to another edition and, you know, yeah, just expand on a little bit.
[00:50:49] Perfect.
[00:50:50] That's good.
[00:50:51] I'm excited to check it out.
[00:50:52] Yeah.
[00:50:53] Thank you so much, Bill, for chatting with me.
[00:50:55] It's been really enlightening, a lot of fun.
[00:50:58] Your book is Aliens Are With Us, What I Learned From Aliens Visiting Me Over 100 Times Spanning 50 Years.
[00:51:06] And like I said, that's a great title.
[00:51:08] I loved the book.
[00:51:09] It says it all.
[00:51:10] It says it all right there.
[00:51:11] Yeah.
[00:51:12] Is there anything else you have coming up or that you wanted to tell people about, maybe about your website or anything like that?
[00:51:19] Yeah.
[00:51:19] So, I created a website as part of this because I'm an IT guy and, you know, you were tired.
[00:51:23] You got time on your hands.
[00:51:24] It was kind of fun.
[00:51:25] Called aliensarewithus.com.
[00:51:26] Okay.
[00:51:27] And I've got a blog with it and also you can buy the book there or there's links to Amazon.
[00:51:33] And there's a forum there for people to talk about experiences they've had, which, you know, to me has been fun, you know, having people reach out to me through it and talk to me about their experiences.
[00:51:42] It's just kind of nice to hear from other people.
[00:51:45] Right.
[00:51:45] So, yeah, other than that, you know, that's all I've got planned at this point.
[00:51:51] But it's been great talking to you.
[00:51:53] I'm definitely going to be listening to your podcast.
[00:51:55] Awesome.
[00:51:55] Yeah.
[00:51:56] I had a great time.
[00:51:56] Thanks for coming on, Bill.
[00:52:03] Thanks for listening and be sure to grab a copy of Bill Roundtree's book at aliensarewithus.com.
[00:52:09] And be sure to check out the new episodes of my other podcasts like Let's Not Meet, a true horror podcast, Odd Trails, and the old time radiocast all at crypticcountypodcasts.com.
[00:52:21] I'll see you all next time for another episode of Cryptic Encounters.