Episode 160: Waverly Hills Sanatorium

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[00:00:10] Forget facts. Forget logic. Forget everything that seems real. You just trust. Believe.

[00:00:58] I Died in Another Universe by Louisa Golightly

[00:01:02] Has anyone very clearly died in what seemed to be another universe? This just happened to me for the first time, and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it.

[00:01:15] I dreamt that I died. See, I was in the hospital looking at my body, and it looked just like me, but it was clearly dead.

[00:01:26] It was a sterile environment, and two doctors were looking at me. My body itself looked awful. My hair was in a messy bun, a tube was down my throat, and my tongue was sticking out.

[00:01:39] I remember being incredibly surprised that I died because when I went into surgery, I wasn't worried. I had a failing organ of some kind.

[00:01:49] I didn't think that I could actually die. Now this was my attitude in real life as well. I always felt it would be hard to kill me.

[00:01:59] There were also overlaps between that world and this one. In that universe, I had the surgery on the day of my 40th birthday, January 1st.

[00:02:11] My birthday in this world, or universe, is January 1st as well, and yes, I just turned 30.

[00:02:19] Additionally, a person I know in this universe was also someone I knew in that one. I'll explain a bit more about that later.

[00:02:28] I then got bored looking at myself, and I saw my dad sitting on a chair talking to himself. It seemed like he was talking to me as a spirit.

[00:02:40] He was apologizing for the decision that he had made to remove my life support because the doctors had told him there was no brain activity, and he didn't want to leave me in that condition.

[00:02:51] His race was different in this other universe. I remember everything about him. He was smaller, seemed feeble, or like he had an illness, something taking a toll on him.

[00:03:03] He had beauty marks that looked like freckles on his skin, and really thick, lovely hair. I tried to tell him that I understood why he made the decision, but he couldn't hear me. He was so sad.

[00:03:18] My spirit then skipped my funeral and headed to a nearby parking lot where I wandered around happily, looking at everyone standing outside.

[00:03:28] I was fully aware that I was a ghost at this point. Occasionally there would be another person who could see me, and both of us would be so happy to realize it.

[00:03:39] I then came upon a little boy who appeared to be Hispanic, with beautiful long hair. He was about eight or nine years old, playing with the basketball. He was all by himself, standing off to the side.

[00:03:52] When he realized that I was there, he looked up at me. He was so sad. He asked why I didn't take him with me, saying that I was supposed to. I told him it wasn't his time to go with me yet.

[00:04:08] Afterward, I was in this event hall. Not for my funeral, but for something else. I was sitting at a table with my grandma in this universe, who is now deceased. We were looking at the parking lot through this large picture window on the wall.

[00:04:25] I was reading a newspaper, and she was drinking coffee. I remarked,

[00:04:31] Being dead is so fun. I can do all of the things that I could already do when I was alive.

[00:04:37] And I proved this by picking up a coffee mug behind me.

[00:04:41] But only some people can see me here, I added.

[00:04:46] I remember asking someone who could see me whether or not one of my former friends cried at my funeral.

[00:04:54] This is someone that I still love very much, but no longer speak with in this lifetime.

[00:05:00] Someone told me,

[00:05:01] Not really.

[00:05:03] And I suddenly had a glimpse of him, sitting at the funeral, looking either indifferent or maybe shell-shocked.

[00:05:11] I wasn't able to tell.

[00:05:14] I think in that life, we were as disconnected as we are in this one.

[00:05:20] I then woke up.

[00:05:21] It was like being dropped back into my physical body in this universe.

[00:05:26] I could feel and hear it.

[00:05:28] It was like a light switch being turned off in one universe, and then turned on in another.

[00:05:35] I was so disoriented for about two to three hours after this, I remember waking up and thinking about how strange it was that I was dead in one universe but alive in this one,

[00:05:46] doing something as ordinary as making my bed.

[00:05:50] When I went downstairs to let the maintenance men in, I kept thinking,

[00:05:54] I can't believe my family and friends in that world were so sad, thinking that I was dead.

[00:06:00] But I'm right here, answering the doorbell.

[00:06:04] By far, this was the strangest quote-unquote dream I've ever had, but the level of consciousness and detail was so profoundly real.

[00:06:15] Has anyone ever experienced anything similar?

[00:06:43] Waverly Hills Sanatorium by Amber

[00:06:46] I wanted to share an experience I had at Waverly Hills Sanatorium in Louisville, Kentucky.

[00:06:54] I know you've covered Waverly Hills before, but I thought an extra story wouldn't hurt.

[00:06:59] I grew up in Kentucky and have always loved that part of the country.

[00:07:03] It's rich with history and full of old buildings to explore and investigate.

[00:07:08] I've always been fascinated by odd and strange places.

[00:07:12] They're just so interesting.

[00:07:14] I had a friend who was also into spooky things, and one night they suggested we drive to Waverly Hills Park.

[00:07:22] The park is near this humongous, infamous Waverly Hills Sanatorium.

[00:07:27] I thought, oh my gosh, that sounds like a pretty cool spot.

[00:07:31] I've never been before.

[00:07:33] Let's go.

[00:07:34] For a little background, Waverly Hills Sanatorium was built in the 1920s as a tuberculosis hospital.

[00:07:43] Louisville had an extremely high death rate because the city was mostly built on low swampland,

[00:07:49] which made the moist air perfect for spreading the white death.

[00:07:54] Thousands of people died at Waverly Hills.

[00:07:56] So many that they say it was about one death per day.

[00:08:00] The hospital closed in 1961 after the success of antibiotics.

[00:08:06] It was turned into another hospital for the elderly for a while, but eventually it was abandoned.

[00:08:13] Ever since, people have claimed it's haunted.

[00:08:16] Everyone's heard the stories.

[00:08:17] The little boy, Tommy, who plays with his ball in the hallway.

[00:08:21] The smell of food being cooked in the kitchen.

[00:08:24] And the nurse who tragically took her own life on the fifth floor.

[00:08:29] When we arrived, we were the only car in the parking lot.

[00:08:32] We were facing a pond with the hospital just visible over the tops of the trees.

[00:08:38] The dark, winding driveway to the park was behind us.

[00:08:41] It's not an easy place to walk to.

[00:08:44] There aren't any sidewalks and it's mostly surrounded by residential homes.

[00:08:49] The driveway is long, dark, and secluded.

[00:08:53] It was about 2am on a Tuesday.

[00:08:56] We were just sitting in the car talking.

[00:08:59] We were trying to spook each other.

[00:09:01] Joking around like, what if something ran at us?

[00:09:04] Or, what if we saw someone right now?

[00:09:08] We were just laughing.

[00:09:10] Until we weren't.

[00:09:13] That's when we saw her.

[00:09:14] A woman.

[00:09:16] Walking down the driveway toward the pond.

[00:09:19] She didn't look at us.

[00:09:21] She didn't look around.

[00:09:22] She just stared straight ahead.

[00:09:24] And walked at a slow, steady pace.

[00:09:28] What she was wearing immediately sent chills through me.

[00:09:32] She was dressed in a long, white gown

[00:09:35] that went all the way down to her feet.

[00:09:38] It looked old-fashioned.

[00:09:40] Not like something someone would wear today.

[00:09:43] Or go for a long walk in.

[00:09:46] Her extremely long, dark hair was pulled back into a ponytail.

[00:09:51] And it went all the way down her back.

[00:09:53] Past her waist.

[00:09:55] I couldn't stop thinking.

[00:09:57] What is she doing here?

[00:09:58] Why is she walking out here in the middle of the night?

[00:10:01] It didn't make sense.

[00:10:03] The park is so isolated.

[00:10:05] And it would have taken her forever to walk there from anywhere.

[00:10:09] I hated the feeling she gave me.

[00:10:12] I couldn't stay.

[00:10:14] As soon as she passed our car, I started it up and took off.

[00:10:19] My body reacted before my brain could catch up.

[00:10:22] I just knew I had to get out of there.

[00:10:25] Afterwards, I tried to make sense of it.

[00:10:27] Maybe she was just some weird woman trying to scare people.

[00:10:32] Maybe she liked taking midnight walks in a long, white dress.

[00:10:36] I don't know.

[00:10:37] But deep down, I knew there was something off about her.

[00:10:41] A few years later, I went on the Waverly Hills ghost tour.

[00:10:45] They walk you through the hospital floor by floor,

[00:10:48] sharing the history, the stories, and all the famous ghost sightings.

[00:10:53] They even take you down the body chute,

[00:10:56] the tunnel where they used to transport the dead.

[00:10:59] Toward the end of the tour, the guide shared one last story.

[00:11:03] She said that people have reported seeing a woman in a long, white gown,

[00:11:08] wandering the property.

[00:11:10] They don't know who she is or why she's there,

[00:11:13] but so many people have seen her that they've added her to the tour.

[00:11:17] I froze.

[00:11:19] That was the exact woman I saw.

[00:11:22] I'd spent years trying to talk myself out of believing it was anything paranormal.

[00:11:27] I thought, she's just somebody strange out walking in the middle of the night,

[00:11:31] trying to scare one random car.

[00:11:34] But hearing that others had seen her,

[00:11:36] so many others,

[00:11:38] made me question everything.

[00:11:40] Who was she?

[00:11:42] Was she a patient?

[00:11:43] A nurse?

[00:11:44] Something else entirely?

[00:11:46] To this day,

[00:11:47] I wish I had stayed in that parking lot to watch her a bit longer.

[00:11:51] Maybe I would have gotten some answers,

[00:11:53] but that night I just couldn't.

[00:11:56] She's something I'll never forget.

[00:11:58] And after hearing the ghost tour mention her,

[00:12:01] I can't help but wonder,

[00:12:03] does she still walk the park at night?

[00:12:29] Hoofie,

[00:12:30] A True Story An Inmate Told Me

[00:12:32] by Via1999

[00:12:35] This is an old story that was told to me a few years ago.

[00:12:40] I was just reminded of it a couple of days back when retelling it,

[00:12:44] and I'm curious if anyone else has ever heard of this,

[00:12:48] or if it was just made up by the person who told me.

[00:12:52] I used to work at a maximum security prison

[00:12:55] where I was in charge of overseeing the production of food.

[00:12:58] I wasn't a CO,

[00:13:00] but I was able to talk to the inmates very frequently.

[00:13:04] One early morning,

[00:13:06] I was doing paperwork

[00:13:07] while one of the inmates was stalking something,

[00:13:10] and we started talking about urban legends.

[00:13:13] This man was Native American,

[00:13:16] I think Navajo,

[00:13:18] but I could be wrong.

[00:13:19] He'll be dubbed Storm

[00:13:21] for the sake of this story.

[00:13:24] Storm told me about a legend

[00:13:26] and an experience that he had

[00:13:28] on his reservation

[00:13:29] about some sort of devil.

[00:13:32] He called it Hoofie.

[00:13:34] He claimed that there was this handsome man

[00:13:37] with a tall white cowboy hat

[00:13:40] and boots

[00:13:40] who frequently goes to casinos,

[00:13:42] He doesn't gamble,

[00:13:44] but he flirts with young, beautiful women

[00:13:47] and lures them out of the casino.

[00:13:49] Once he takes these women to his home,

[00:13:52] he transforms into this tall creature

[00:13:55] with shaggy goat legs

[00:13:57] and long black hair.

[00:13:59] His beautiful face then turns into

[00:14:02] a mix of a demonic horse

[00:14:04] and a wolf

[00:14:05] with piercing red eyes.

[00:14:08] He devours these women

[00:14:09] and leaves their clothing around his homestead.

[00:14:12] as mementos of his killings.

[00:14:15] Now, I laughed

[00:14:16] because it sounded like a typical monster story,

[00:14:19] but Storm got very serious

[00:14:22] and he told me that he

[00:14:24] had a close encounter with Hoofie

[00:14:26] and barely made it out alive.

[00:14:29] Storm and his cousin

[00:14:31] lived on an Arizona reservation

[00:14:33] on the other side of South Mountain,

[00:14:36] very close to my hometown in Estrella Mountain.

[00:14:40] One day,

[00:14:41] he and his cousin were drinking

[00:14:43] and trying to pass the time

[00:14:45] as there wasn't much to do.

[00:14:46] They decided to take a walk into the desert

[00:14:49] just for the hell of it.

[00:14:51] Not much else to do anyway.

[00:14:53] It was about half an hour before sundown,

[00:14:56] so the two headed off in one direction

[00:14:59] and enjoyed the scenery of the plain desert.

[00:15:02] They walked for about 15 minutes or so

[00:15:05] when they came across this abandoned,

[00:15:08] church-like building.

[00:15:09] It was old and decrepit,

[00:15:12] with weak wooden structures

[00:15:14] that looked as though

[00:15:15] a stiff wind

[00:15:16] could knock the whole thing down.

[00:15:19] The two walked through the church

[00:15:21] and out the back,

[00:15:22] stepping through broken pews

[00:15:24] and over-creaking floorboards.

[00:15:26] They laughed about how freaky

[00:15:28] and weird this old building was

[00:15:30] before slowly making their way out.

[00:15:33] They exited through a door

[00:15:35] and jumped over a trench

[00:15:37] just past the end of the church.

[00:15:40] The pair continued walking and laughing

[00:15:42] when they came across something strange.

[00:15:45] Storm said

[00:15:46] that they saw a wide assortment of shoes,

[00:15:50] muddied up,

[00:15:52] red high heels,

[00:15:53] black flats,

[00:15:55] torn brown pumps,

[00:15:56] an array of women's shoes

[00:15:58] scattered around,

[00:16:00] broken and dirty

[00:16:01] and clearly abandoned for some time.

[00:16:05] Storm picked up one of the shoes

[00:16:06] to inspect it

[00:16:07] when he turned to his cousin.

[00:16:10] The look on his cousin's face

[00:16:12] was one of complete horror.

[00:16:15] His face was pale,

[00:16:16] his eyes were wide

[00:16:18] and he was close to tears

[00:16:19] as he stared behind Storm.

[00:16:22] Storm was about to turn around

[00:16:24] when his cousin stopped him.

[00:16:26] No, he whispered,

[00:16:28] placing his hands on Storm's shoulders.

[00:16:30] Don't look up.

[00:16:31] Keep your head down.

[00:16:34] Frightened,

[00:16:35] Storm followed his cousin's instructions.

[00:16:37] He had never seen his cousin so scared.

[00:16:41] And then,

[00:16:42] he heard it.

[00:16:43] A pair of heavy footsteps

[00:16:45] walking behind him.

[00:16:47] The sound of labored breathing

[00:16:49] matched the steps

[00:16:51] and Storm felt as though

[00:16:53] his entire body

[00:16:54] had dropped 10 degrees in temperature.

[00:16:56] His shoulders were shaking

[00:16:58] as his cousin grabbed his hand

[00:17:00] and stepped back slowly.

[00:17:02] We need to go,

[00:17:04] his cousin said.

[00:17:05] His voice

[00:17:06] was nearly drowned out

[00:17:08] by the heavy footsteps behind them,

[00:17:10] but Storm

[00:17:11] heard him just barely.

[00:17:14] Whatever you do,

[00:17:15] don't look back.

[00:17:17] That was the last thing

[00:17:18] his cousin said

[00:17:19] before

[00:17:20] he took off running.

[00:17:22] The pair ran as fast as they could,

[00:17:25] sprinting past the old church

[00:17:26] and racing toward their homestead.

[00:17:29] His cousin

[00:17:30] yelled out native prayers,

[00:17:32] hoping some sort of

[00:17:33] ancestral guardian

[00:17:34] would stop this beast.

[00:17:37] All the while,

[00:17:38] Storm could hear

[00:17:39] the galloping of hoofs

[00:17:41] behind him,

[00:17:42] along with the sound

[00:17:43] of hot,

[00:17:44] sticky breath

[00:17:45] smelling of rotten flesh.

[00:17:48] He felt it against

[00:17:49] the back of his neck,

[00:17:51] spurring him on

[00:17:52] to keep running

[00:17:53] no matter how

[00:17:55] exhausted he became.

[00:17:57] He knew that

[00:17:58] if he slowed down

[00:17:59] for even a second,

[00:18:00] he would become

[00:18:01] the creature's next meal.

[00:18:04] They ran,

[00:18:05] cutting the time

[00:18:06] back to their home

[00:18:07] in half.

[00:18:08] They made it inside safely,

[00:18:10] just as the sun

[00:18:11] was setting,

[00:18:12] bathing their home

[00:18:13] in a warm orange glow.

[00:18:15] Panting against the wall,

[00:18:16] Storm placed his hand

[00:18:18] over his fast-beating heart,

[00:18:20] scared of what he might see,

[00:18:22] unable to resist.

[00:18:24] Storm stumbled

[00:18:25] to a window

[00:18:26] and pulled back the blinds,

[00:18:28] peering out

[00:18:29] into the landscape.

[00:18:31] In the direction

[00:18:32] they had come from,

[00:18:34] Storm could see

[00:18:35] the back of the creature

[00:18:36] walking away.

[00:18:37] It was about

[00:18:38] eight feet tall,

[00:18:39] with long,

[00:18:40] silky black hair

[00:18:41] that reached his waist.

[00:18:43] Where human legs

[00:18:45] should have been,

[00:18:46] there were instead

[00:18:47] long,

[00:18:48] goat-like legs,

[00:18:49] ending in black,

[00:18:51] stamping hooves

[00:18:52] that kicked up dust

[00:18:54] as it walked away.

[00:19:13] The Cabin

[00:19:13] by Karen

[00:19:15] I have a history

[00:19:18] of paranormal activity

[00:19:19] in my life.

[00:19:20] I don't pursue it,

[00:19:22] it's just always fail me.

[00:19:24] Years ago,

[00:19:25] after I retired

[00:19:26] from law enforcement

[00:19:27] at 62,

[00:19:28] I needed to keep working.

[00:19:30] I really did not

[00:19:32] want to go back

[00:19:32] to my old career.

[00:19:34] It's thankless,

[00:19:35] dangerous,

[00:19:36] and honestly,

[00:19:37] the work hardens you.

[00:19:39] So I found a job

[00:19:40] as a certified

[00:19:41] nursing assistant,

[00:19:43] helping people

[00:19:44] clean their homes,

[00:19:45] run errands,

[00:19:46] and perform

[00:19:46] personal care.

[00:19:48] Over time,

[00:19:49] I started my own

[00:19:50] housekeeping business,

[00:19:52] and for the most part,

[00:19:53] I loved my clients.

[00:19:55] But there was

[00:19:56] this one client,

[00:19:57] I'll call her Maria.

[00:20:00] Maria was a hoarder

[00:20:01] who lived in a

[00:20:02] massive cabin

[00:20:03] out in the country.

[00:20:04] It had five bedrooms,

[00:20:06] several acres of land,

[00:20:07] and she had this

[00:20:09] handyman who lived there

[00:20:10] and helped her out.

[00:20:12] At first,

[00:20:13] the money was good,

[00:20:14] but Maria

[00:20:16] was difficult.

[00:20:18] She'd sit me down,

[00:20:19] talk horribly

[00:20:20] about her friends

[00:20:21] for over an hour,

[00:20:22] and then let me clean.

[00:20:25] She'd get angry

[00:20:26] if I disagreed with her,

[00:20:27] even banging her fist

[00:20:29] on the table,

[00:20:30] calling me stupid.

[00:20:31] I really dreaded

[00:20:33] going there.

[00:20:34] One day,

[00:20:36] Maria asked me

[00:20:36] to clean out

[00:20:37] one of the bedrooms

[00:20:38] packed with her hoard.

[00:20:39] I opened the closet,

[00:20:41] and things just

[00:20:42] start falling out.

[00:20:44] At the very bottom,

[00:20:45] I found this

[00:20:46] jar of coins.

[00:20:48] Now,

[00:20:48] I'm not proud of this,

[00:20:50] but I put it in my bag

[00:20:51] and took it home.

[00:20:53] It was completely

[00:20:54] out of character

[00:20:55] for me.

[00:20:55] Maybe it was

[00:20:56] her endless complaining,

[00:20:58] driving me nuts.

[00:20:59] I didn't intend

[00:21:00] to keep the jar,

[00:21:02] but I was so angry

[00:21:03] at her betrayal

[00:21:04] of her friends,

[00:21:05] so I just took it.

[00:21:07] When my husband

[00:21:08] saw the jar

[00:21:09] and asked what I'd done,

[00:21:10] he was pretty shocked.

[00:21:13] He told me

[00:21:13] to take it back

[00:21:14] immediately.

[00:21:16] I promised I would,

[00:21:17] but then I forgot.

[00:21:20] That's when things

[00:21:21] in Maria's cabin

[00:21:22] started to change.

[00:21:24] One day,

[00:21:25] Maria and her handyman

[00:21:26] left to run some errands,

[00:21:28] and for the first time,

[00:21:29] I was alone in the house.

[00:21:31] It should have been

[00:21:32] a relief,

[00:21:33] but suddenly,

[00:21:34] the cabin got

[00:21:36] freezing cold.

[00:21:37] My hands turned

[00:21:39] into this strange,

[00:21:40] ashy color,

[00:21:41] even though I was

[00:21:43] cleaning and lifting.

[00:21:44] Maria's dog,

[00:21:46] who normally

[00:21:46] followed me everywhere,

[00:21:48] went straight

[00:21:48] into his crate

[00:21:49] and whined.

[00:21:51] Her cat

[00:21:52] was nowhere

[00:21:52] to be found.

[00:21:54] I tried to brush it off,

[00:21:56] but I knew

[00:21:57] something was wrong.

[00:22:00] The next time

[00:22:01] Maria left me

[00:22:02] alone in the house,

[00:22:03] I heard it.

[00:22:05] Thud.

[00:22:07] Something hit

[00:22:07] the floor above me,

[00:22:09] in the loft

[00:22:09] that overlooked

[00:22:10] the family room.

[00:22:12] The dog

[00:22:12] ran into his crate again.

[00:22:15] I looked up,

[00:22:16] but I didn't see anything.

[00:22:19] Thud.

[00:22:20] It happened again.

[00:22:22] I started to shake.

[00:22:24] Then I finished

[00:22:25] cleaning as fast

[00:22:26] as I could

[00:22:27] and left.

[00:22:29] The next time

[00:22:30] I came back,

[00:22:31] I saw what it was.

[00:22:33] Small rocks

[00:22:34] were being flung

[00:22:35] down from the loft area.

[00:22:37] I couldn't see

[00:22:38] who or what

[00:22:39] was throwing them,

[00:22:40] but they were coming

[00:22:41] from somewhere.

[00:22:42] I went home

[00:22:43] and told my husband.

[00:22:45] He just looked at me

[00:22:46] and said,

[00:22:47] did you ever take

[00:22:48] that jar of coins back?

[00:22:51] I froze.

[00:22:52] I'd completely

[00:22:53] forgotten about them.

[00:22:55] So I found the jar,

[00:22:57] put it in my bag,

[00:22:57] and told myself,

[00:22:59] next time.

[00:23:00] I got back to Maria's cabin,

[00:23:28] and if that's even

[00:23:30] who it was,

[00:23:31] that I was starry.

[00:23:32] I told him I took

[00:23:34] the jar because

[00:23:34] I was angry,

[00:23:35] but I knew

[00:23:36] I was wrong.

[00:23:37] And then I just

[00:23:38] started to clean.

[00:23:40] That day,

[00:23:41] there were no rocks,

[00:23:42] no freezing cold.

[00:23:44] The dog followed me

[00:23:45] room to room again,

[00:23:46] just like before.

[00:23:48] Everything felt

[00:23:49] normal.

[00:23:51] Not long after,

[00:23:52] my time with Maria

[00:23:53] ended.

[00:23:54] When the pandemic hit,

[00:23:56] she told her friends

[00:23:57] to drop me,

[00:23:58] claiming I'd

[00:23:59] bring the virus

[00:24:00] into their homes

[00:24:01] because I worked

[00:24:01] for other families.

[00:24:03] She asked me

[00:24:04] if I was angry,

[00:24:05] and I just said no.

[00:24:07] But I was.

[00:24:10] Because of her,

[00:24:11] I lost three clients

[00:24:12] in one day.

[00:24:13] But honestly,

[00:24:14] I was relieved

[00:24:15] to be done with her.

[00:24:18] So get this,

[00:24:19] about a year later,

[00:24:20] Maria's handyman

[00:24:22] called me.

[00:24:22] He said they needed

[00:24:24] a housekeeper again

[00:24:25] because Maria

[00:24:26] had fallen down

[00:24:27] the loft stairs

[00:24:28] and broke her back.

[00:24:30] I thought about it

[00:24:31] for a moment,

[00:24:32] about Maria's negativity,

[00:24:35] her endless complaints,

[00:24:36] and everything

[00:24:37] I had to go through

[00:24:38] in that house.

[00:24:39] So I told him,

[00:24:41] I'm sorry,

[00:24:42] I just can't.

[00:25:04] I will never understand

[00:25:05] by accomplished tip

[00:25:07] 203.

[00:25:10] When I was probably

[00:25:11] nine or ten,

[00:25:12] we were on a road trip

[00:25:14] up the east coast,

[00:25:15] headed to Connecticut.

[00:25:17] We stopped at a rest stop

[00:25:19] and my family members

[00:25:20] were grabbing snacks

[00:25:21] while I decided

[00:25:22] to head to the bathroom.

[00:25:24] The rest stop

[00:25:25] was off of a highway.

[00:25:27] I don't remember

[00:25:27] what state,

[00:25:28] but it was somewhere

[00:25:29] between Pennsylvania

[00:25:30] and Connecticut.

[00:25:32] The rest stop

[00:25:33] was very big,

[00:25:34] but otherwise

[00:25:35] pretty normal.

[00:25:36] There were also

[00:25:37] different places

[00:25:38] to get food,

[00:25:38] like Subway.

[00:25:40] I was trying

[00:25:41] to find the bathroom

[00:25:42] when I found myself

[00:25:43] in a totally different

[00:25:44] section of the rest stop.

[00:25:47] Things started

[00:25:48] to look older

[00:25:49] and a little vacant.

[00:25:51] I was walking

[00:25:52] through the doors,

[00:25:53] and then I entered

[00:25:54] this one door

[00:25:55] that took me

[00:25:56] to a weird,

[00:25:57] empty room.

[00:25:59] What I walked into

[00:26:01] is unexplainable,

[00:26:03] but I'll try.

[00:26:04] I remember

[00:26:06] when I walked

[00:26:06] into the room,

[00:26:07] it looked like

[00:26:08] a disco show

[00:26:09] of some sort.

[00:26:10] All the lights

[00:26:11] were flashing

[00:26:12] rainbow colors.

[00:26:14] Waiters were

[00:26:15] walking around,

[00:26:16] serving drinks,

[00:26:17] and there were

[00:26:18] a bunch of round

[00:26:19] tables with people

[00:26:20] playing bingo.

[00:26:22] The floors

[00:26:23] were like the old

[00:26:24] speckled bowling alley

[00:26:25] floors.

[00:26:26] It almost felt like

[00:26:28] we had walked

[00:26:28] into a completely

[00:26:29] different time period.

[00:26:31] The weirdest

[00:26:32] part is,

[00:26:33] the only people

[00:26:35] making any sort

[00:26:36] of movement there

[00:26:37] were the waiters.

[00:26:38] All of the people

[00:26:40] sitting at the tables

[00:26:41] were in wheelchairs,

[00:26:42] like mechanical

[00:26:43] wheelchairs,

[00:26:44] the kind that

[00:26:45] Abby Lee uses.

[00:26:47] The people

[00:26:48] in the wheelchairs

[00:26:49] turned out

[00:26:50] to be mannequins,

[00:26:52] or at least

[00:26:52] they looked

[00:26:53] like mannequins.

[00:26:55] They appeared

[00:26:56] frozen,

[00:26:57] rock hard,

[00:26:58] but they were also

[00:26:59] very realistic

[00:27:00] looking.

[00:27:02] The image

[00:27:03] of these mannequins

[00:27:03] is ingrained

[00:27:04] in my head,

[00:27:05] and explaining it

[00:27:06] to people

[00:27:07] is quite hard.

[00:27:08] It was almost

[00:27:10] like these

[00:27:10] quote-unquote

[00:27:11] waiters

[00:27:12] were playing

[00:27:13] with the mannequins

[00:27:13] like dolls.

[00:27:15] But it was

[00:27:16] the craziest

[00:27:16] setup.

[00:27:17] The mannequins

[00:27:18] had over-the-top

[00:27:19] makeup and wigs.

[00:27:21] All of their arms

[00:27:22] were propped up

[00:27:23] on the round tables,

[00:27:25] and some even

[00:27:26] had bingo cards

[00:27:27] placed in their hands.

[00:27:29] I know what I saw.

[00:27:31] I know that this

[00:27:33] happened.

[00:27:33] It was not a dream.

[00:27:35] As a kid,

[00:27:36] this scared me

[00:27:37] for some reason,

[00:27:38] and I've never

[00:27:39] stopped thinking

[00:27:40] about it.

[00:27:41] I walked out

[00:27:42] and went straight

[00:27:43] to the car

[00:27:44] because my family

[00:27:45] had already

[00:27:45] gotten back in.

[00:27:47] I never said a word

[00:27:48] to them about it

[00:27:49] at the time,

[00:27:50] and this is still

[00:27:51] something that I

[00:27:52] just don't understand.

[00:27:54] I know it sounds

[00:27:55] crazy,

[00:27:55] but it's still

[00:27:56] something I can't

[00:27:57] explain to this day,

[00:27:58] and I just want

[00:28:00] to know

[00:28:00] what you guys

[00:28:01] think I saw.

[00:28:02] What was that?

[00:28:04] Has anyone

[00:28:05] ever heard

[00:28:06] of anything similar?

[00:28:26] Two Stories

[00:28:27] by RedDevil218

[00:28:29] I have two separate

[00:28:32] stories to share,

[00:28:33] but I can't help

[00:28:35] but feel like

[00:28:35] they could be

[00:28:36] connected.

[00:28:37] I call this

[00:28:38] first story

[00:28:39] The Lady

[00:28:40] in My Son's Room.

[00:28:42] About seven years

[00:28:43] ago,

[00:28:43] when my wife

[00:28:44] was pregnant

[00:28:45] with our first child,

[00:28:46] we lived in a small

[00:28:48] bungalow-style

[00:28:49] starter home.

[00:28:50] It wasn't

[00:28:51] anything fancy,

[00:28:52] but we made it

[00:28:52] our own.

[00:28:53] My wife was about

[00:28:55] seven months pregnant,

[00:28:56] and we were

[00:28:57] excitedly preparing

[00:28:58] to become parents.

[00:28:59] Like most

[00:29:00] first-time parents,

[00:29:01] we had set up

[00:29:02] the nursery

[00:29:03] well in advance,

[00:29:04] just in case

[00:29:05] our little one

[00:29:06] decided to arrive early.

[00:29:08] For context,

[00:29:09] our neighborhood

[00:29:10] was tightly packed.

[00:29:11] The houses

[00:29:12] were separated

[00:29:13] by narrow driveways

[00:29:14] and it was

[00:29:15] common to hear

[00:29:16] neighbors,

[00:29:16] the hum of

[00:29:17] lawnmowers,

[00:29:18] kids playing,

[00:29:19] or music

[00:29:20] drifting from

[00:29:21] an open window.

[00:29:22] It was an

[00:29:23] ordinary,

[00:29:24] lively suburban

[00:29:25] street.

[00:29:26] One evening

[00:29:27] at around

[00:29:28] 8pm,

[00:29:29] my wife and I

[00:29:30] were relaxing

[00:29:31] in the living room.

[00:29:32] We were sharing

[00:29:33] stories about our

[00:29:34] day,

[00:29:34] the TV softly

[00:29:35] playing in the

[00:29:36] background.

[00:29:38] In the middle

[00:29:38] of one of my

[00:29:39] stories,

[00:29:39] I heard

[00:29:41] something.

[00:29:42] It was faint

[00:29:43] but distinct.

[00:29:45] A woman's

[00:29:46] voice,

[00:29:46] singing a

[00:29:48] lullaby.

[00:29:49] It was

[00:29:50] calm and

[00:29:50] soothing,

[00:29:51] like someone

[00:29:52] rocking a

[00:29:52] baby to sleep.

[00:29:54] I stopped

[00:29:55] mid-sentence

[00:29:56] and asked my

[00:29:56] wife if she

[00:29:57] heard it too.

[00:29:58] She nodded,

[00:29:59] her expression

[00:30:01] shifting from

[00:30:02] relaxed to

[00:30:03] puzzled.

[00:30:04] At first,

[00:30:05] we assumed

[00:30:06] it was coming

[00:30:06] from outside.

[00:30:07] Maybe a

[00:30:08] neighbor's

[00:30:08] window was

[00:30:09] open,

[00:30:09] or someone

[00:30:10] nearby was

[00:30:11] singing.

[00:30:12] That

[00:30:13] explanation

[00:30:14] seemed

[00:30:14] logical,

[00:30:15] but as the

[00:30:16] singing

[00:30:16] continued,

[00:30:17] an uneasy

[00:30:18] feeling crept

[00:30:19] in.

[00:30:20] The voice

[00:30:21] wasn't

[00:30:22] muffled,

[00:30:22] like you'd

[00:30:23] expect if it

[00:30:24] came from

[00:30:24] outside.

[00:30:25] It was

[00:30:26] too crisp,

[00:30:27] too clear.

[00:30:28] It sounded

[00:30:29] like it was

[00:30:30] coming from

[00:30:30] inside the

[00:30:31] house.

[00:30:32] My wife and

[00:30:33] I sat in

[00:30:34] silence,

[00:30:35] straining to

[00:30:35] pinpoint the

[00:30:36] source,

[00:30:37] but the

[00:30:37] sound seemed

[00:30:38] to be coming

[00:30:38] from the

[00:30:39] back of the

[00:30:40] house,

[00:30:40] from the

[00:30:41] nursery.

[00:30:43] Are you

[00:30:43] going to

[00:30:44] check it

[00:30:44] out?

[00:30:44] My wife

[00:30:45] finally asked.

[00:30:47] Her tone

[00:30:48] was calm,

[00:30:49] but I could

[00:30:49] tell she felt

[00:30:50] the same

[00:30:51] anise I

[00:30:51] did.

[00:30:52] I nodded

[00:30:53] and asked

[00:30:53] her to

[00:30:54] stay put.

[00:30:55] The hallway

[00:30:56] to the

[00:30:56] nursery was

[00:30:57] short,

[00:30:57] so it

[00:30:58] didn't take

[00:30:59] long to

[00:30:59] reach the

[00:31:00] door.

[00:31:00] The singing

[00:31:01] continued,

[00:31:02] soft,

[00:31:03] melodic,

[00:31:04] and growing

[00:31:05] clearer with

[00:31:05] each step

[00:31:06] I took.

[00:31:07] It was

[00:31:08] unmistakably

[00:31:08] coming from

[00:31:09] inside the

[00:31:10] nursery.

[00:31:11] My heart

[00:31:12] was racing

[00:31:12] as I

[00:31:13] approached

[00:31:13] this

[00:31:13] closed

[00:31:14] door,

[00:31:14] and then,

[00:31:15] out of

[00:31:16] nowhere,

[00:31:17] this overwhelming

[00:31:18] feeling of

[00:31:18] dread washed

[00:31:19] over me.

[00:31:21] It's hard to

[00:31:22] describe if

[00:31:22] you've never

[00:31:23] felt it,

[00:31:23] but it was

[00:31:24] like every

[00:31:25] instinct I

[00:31:26] had was

[00:31:26] screaming at

[00:31:27] me to

[00:31:27] stop.

[00:31:29] My body

[00:31:30] felt frozen,

[00:31:31] rooted to

[00:31:32] this spot.

[00:31:33] It wasn't

[00:31:34] fear of the

[00:31:35] unknown,

[00:31:35] it was

[00:31:36] something

[00:31:36] deeper,

[00:31:38] something

[00:31:38] primal.

[00:31:40] My instincts

[00:31:41] were telling

[00:31:41] me not to

[00:31:42] open that

[00:31:42] door.

[00:31:44] I've heard

[00:31:44] stories about

[00:31:45] people trusting

[00:31:46] their gut in

[00:31:47] moments like

[00:31:47] this,

[00:31:48] and I'm

[00:31:48] glad I did.

[00:31:49] I stood

[00:31:50] there,

[00:31:51] paralyzed for

[00:31:52] what felt

[00:31:53] like an

[00:31:53] eternity.

[00:31:54] And then,

[00:31:55] just as

[00:31:56] suddenly as

[00:31:56] it had

[00:31:57] started,

[00:31:57] the singing

[00:31:58] stopped.

[00:32:00] The oppressive

[00:32:01] sense of

[00:32:02] dread lifted,

[00:32:03] leaving me

[00:32:04] standing in

[00:32:04] the now

[00:32:05] silent

[00:32:05] hallway.

[00:32:07] After a

[00:32:08] few moments,

[00:32:08] I worked up

[00:32:09] the courage

[00:32:09] to open

[00:32:10] the door.

[00:32:11] The nursery

[00:32:11] was exactly

[00:32:12] as we'd

[00:32:13] left it,

[00:32:14] empty,

[00:32:15] peaceful,

[00:32:15] and untouched.

[00:32:16] There were

[00:32:17] no signs of

[00:32:18] anyone or

[00:32:18] anything out

[00:32:19] of place.

[00:32:20] I checked

[00:32:21] every corner,

[00:32:22] every shadow,

[00:32:23] but I found

[00:32:24] nothing.

[00:32:25] That night,

[00:32:26] I couldn't

[00:32:27] shake the

[00:32:27] feeling of

[00:32:28] unease.

[00:32:29] My wife and

[00:32:30] I discussed

[00:32:30] it,

[00:32:31] trying to

[00:32:31] rationalize

[00:32:32] what had

[00:32:33] happened,

[00:32:33] but we

[00:32:34] never came

[00:32:34] up with

[00:32:35] a satisfying

[00:32:36] explanation.

[00:32:38] Nothing

[00:32:38] like that

[00:32:39] ever happened

[00:32:39] again in

[00:32:40] that house.

[00:32:41] To this

[00:32:42] day,

[00:32:42] I can't

[00:32:42] explain what

[00:32:43] I heard,

[00:32:44] or why I

[00:32:45] couldn't

[00:32:45] bring myself

[00:32:46] to open

[00:32:46] that door

[00:32:47] in that

[00:32:47] moment.

[00:32:48] But sometimes

[00:32:49] I wonder,

[00:32:50] what would

[00:32:50] I have seen

[00:32:51] if I had

[00:32:51] ignored my

[00:32:52] instincts and

[00:32:53] walked into

[00:32:54] that room?

[00:32:55] Now for my

[00:32:56] second story,

[00:32:57] that I call

[00:32:58] Imaginary Friends.

[00:33:00] Please be aware

[00:33:02] that miscarriage

[00:33:02] is discussed

[00:33:03] in the following

[00:33:04] story.

[00:33:05] All my love.

[00:33:07] We all know

[00:33:08] about imaginary

[00:33:09] friends.

[00:33:10] Little kids,

[00:33:11] especially around

[00:33:12] two to four

[00:33:13] years old,

[00:33:14] often let their

[00:33:14] imaginations run

[00:33:15] wild,

[00:33:16] creating friends

[00:33:17] to play with.

[00:33:18] Most parents

[00:33:19] shrug it off as

[00:33:20] a normal part

[00:33:21] of growing up,

[00:33:22] but in our

[00:33:23] case,

[00:33:23] it didn't

[00:33:24] feel so

[00:33:24] normal.

[00:33:25] A little

[00:33:26] backstory.

[00:33:27] My wife and

[00:33:28] I experienced

[00:33:29] two miscarriages

[00:33:30] before completing

[00:33:32] our family.

[00:33:33] The grief

[00:33:34] from those

[00:33:34] losses was

[00:33:35] immense,

[00:33:36] like the

[00:33:37] world had

[00:33:37] stopped.

[00:33:38] Anyone who's

[00:33:39] been through

[00:33:40] it knows how

[00:33:41] overwhelming

[00:33:41] the pain

[00:33:42] is.

[00:33:42] If that's

[00:33:43] you,

[00:33:43] I'm truly

[00:33:44] sorry.

[00:33:46] My wife's

[00:33:47] first happened

[00:33:47] before we had

[00:33:48] any children.

[00:33:50] About a

[00:33:50] year later,

[00:33:51] we welcomed

[00:33:52] our first

[00:33:52] son,

[00:33:53] an outgoing,

[00:33:54] goofy little

[00:33:55] boy who

[00:33:56] loved making

[00:33:56] people laugh.

[00:33:58] When he was

[00:33:59] around two

[00:33:59] years old,

[00:34:00] he started

[00:34:01] talking about

[00:34:01] his imaginary

[00:34:02] friend.

[00:34:03] He called

[00:34:04] him

[00:34:05] John.

[00:34:06] My son

[00:34:07] would always

[00:34:08] introduce John

[00:34:08] to us as

[00:34:09] his brother

[00:34:10] John.

[00:34:11] He'd tell us

[00:34:12] about all the

[00:34:13] fun they had

[00:34:13] together,

[00:34:14] and we thought

[00:34:15] it was harmless.

[00:34:16] We'd even

[00:34:17] play along,

[00:34:18] asking questions

[00:34:18] like,

[00:34:19] what does

[00:34:20] John look

[00:34:20] like?

[00:34:21] Or,

[00:34:22] what does

[00:34:22] John say

[00:34:23] to you?

[00:34:25] His answers

[00:34:26] were simple,

[00:34:26] and we chalked

[00:34:28] it up to his

[00:34:28] imagination.

[00:34:30] But one

[00:34:30] day,

[00:34:31] it got

[00:34:31] weird.

[00:34:33] My son

[00:34:34] told us

[00:34:34] John was

[00:34:35] playing with

[00:34:35] him outside.

[00:34:36] I asked

[00:34:37] if John

[00:34:38] only played

[00:34:38] with him

[00:34:39] at home,

[00:34:39] or if

[00:34:40] John went

[00:34:41] with us

[00:34:41] to other

[00:34:41] places.

[00:34:43] My son

[00:34:44] said John

[00:34:44] only stayed

[00:34:45] at home.

[00:34:46] Fair enough,

[00:34:47] I thought.

[00:34:48] But then he

[00:34:49] said,

[00:34:50] John doesn't

[00:34:50] like you

[00:34:51] and mommy.

[00:34:51] He doesn't

[00:34:52] come around

[00:34:53] when you're

[00:34:53] here.

[00:34:54] That gave

[00:34:55] me pause,

[00:34:56] but then

[00:34:57] he added,

[00:34:58] John wants

[00:34:58] me to go

[00:34:59] to his

[00:34:59] house.

[00:35:00] That was

[00:35:01] it.

[00:35:02] My eyes

[00:35:03] widened,

[00:35:03] and for the

[00:35:04] first time,

[00:35:04] I felt

[00:35:05] unsettled.

[00:35:06] Before,

[00:35:07] his comments

[00:35:08] had been

[00:35:08] harmless,

[00:35:09] but this,

[00:35:10] it felt

[00:35:11] wrong.

[00:35:12] This went

[00:35:13] on for about

[00:35:13] a year before

[00:35:14] John disappeared

[00:35:15] as suddenly

[00:35:16] as he'd

[00:35:17] arrived.

[00:35:18] We moved

[00:35:18] on and

[00:35:19] forgot about

[00:35:19] it.

[00:35:21] Then a couple

[00:35:22] years later,

[00:35:22] we were lucky

[00:35:23] enough to have

[00:35:24] a second

[00:35:24] child.

[00:35:25] Around that

[00:35:26] time,

[00:35:27] we started

[00:35:27] discussing

[00:35:27] whether to

[00:35:28] have a

[00:35:28] third.

[00:35:29] Unfortunately,

[00:35:30] we experienced

[00:35:31] another

[00:35:31] miscarriage.

[00:35:33] During that

[00:35:33] time,

[00:35:34] my oldest

[00:35:34] son,

[00:35:35] now about

[00:35:35] four and

[00:35:36] a half,

[00:35:37] told us

[00:35:37] he had

[00:35:38] a new

[00:35:38] imaginary

[00:35:38] friend,

[00:35:39] Katie.

[00:35:41] This time,

[00:35:42] he introduced

[00:35:42] her as his

[00:35:43] sister,

[00:35:43] Katie.

[00:35:44] Katie.

[00:35:45] But unlike

[00:35:45] John,

[00:35:46] Katie didn't

[00:35:46] bring the

[00:35:47] same uneasy

[00:35:48] feelings.

[00:35:49] There were

[00:35:49] no strange

[00:35:50] comments or

[00:35:51] unsettling

[00:35:52] moments.

[00:35:53] She was

[00:35:53] only around

[00:35:54] for a couple

[00:35:54] of months

[00:35:55] before fading

[00:35:55] away.

[00:35:57] Here's the

[00:35:58] part that

[00:35:58] still gives

[00:35:58] me the

[00:35:59] chills.

[00:36:00] My wife

[00:36:00] and I

[00:36:01] never told

[00:36:01] our children

[00:36:02] about the

[00:36:02] miscarriages.

[00:36:03] We didn't

[00:36:04] think they'd

[00:36:04] understand,

[00:36:05] and we

[00:36:05] didn't want

[00:36:06] to burden

[00:36:06] them with

[00:36:07] the news.

[00:36:08] But somehow,

[00:36:09] both of my

[00:36:10] son's imaginary

[00:36:10] friends,

[00:36:11] his brother

[00:36:12] John,

[00:36:13] and his

[00:36:13] sister

[00:36:14] Katie

[00:36:14] perfectly

[00:36:15] corresponded

[00:36:16] to the

[00:36:16] siblings

[00:36:17] he never

[00:36:17] got to

[00:36:18] meet.

[00:36:19] Maybe it's

[00:36:20] just a

[00:36:20] coincidence.

[00:36:21] Maybe it's

[00:36:22] not.

[00:36:23] I'll never

[00:36:24] know,

[00:36:24] but even

[00:36:25] years later,

[00:36:26] I can't

[00:36:26] stop thinking

[00:36:27] about it.

[00:36:52] So this

[00:36:53] person dies

[00:36:54] in another

[00:36:54] universe,

[00:36:55] gets to

[00:36:55] hang out

[00:36:56] as a ghost,

[00:36:56] then wakes

[00:36:57] up back

[00:36:57] here,

[00:36:58] like,

[00:36:58] in our

[00:36:59] own

[00:36:59] universe,

[00:37:00] and they're

[00:37:00] fully alive,

[00:37:01] and making

[00:37:02] their bed.

[00:37:02] What are your

[00:37:03] thoughts?

[00:37:04] My first

[00:37:05] thought was

[00:37:05] that I

[00:37:06] just love

[00:37:06] that they

[00:37:06] skip their

[00:37:07] own funeral

[00:37:07] to hang

[00:37:08] out in a

[00:37:08] parking lot.

[00:37:09] That sounds

[00:37:09] like something

[00:37:10] you and I

[00:37:10] would do.

[00:37:11] Yeah,

[00:37:11] yeah,

[00:37:11] yeah.

[00:37:12] The last

[00:37:12] thing I want

[00:37:12] to do is

[00:37:13] see all of

[00:37:14] my family

[00:37:15] and friends

[00:37:15] being sad

[00:37:16] and crying

[00:37:16] around my

[00:37:17] body.

[00:37:18] Yeah,

[00:37:18] no,

[00:37:18] no thanks,

[00:37:19] no thanks.

[00:37:20] I feel

[00:37:20] like if I

[00:37:21] were a ghost,

[00:37:21] I'd at least

[00:37:22] check out

[00:37:22] the buffet

[00:37:23] at my funeral,

[00:37:24] quietly judging

[00:37:25] the food

[00:37:25] choices.

[00:37:26] But I guess

[00:37:27] food selection

[00:37:28] could be

[00:37:28] something to

[00:37:29] put into

[00:37:29] your will.

[00:37:30] Can't be

[00:37:30] that difficult.

[00:37:31] But at the

[00:37:32] same time,

[00:37:33] we'll be

[00:37:33] dead,

[00:37:33] so who

[00:37:34] cares?

[00:37:34] I guess a

[00:37:35] buffet of

[00:37:36] whatever is

[00:37:36] fine in

[00:37:37] the grand

[00:37:37] scheme of

[00:37:37] things.

[00:37:38] Yeah,

[00:37:39] yeah,

[00:37:39] nothing beats

[00:37:39] a good

[00:37:40] buffet.

[00:37:41] Like it

[00:37:42] doesn't matter

[00:37:42] where it's

[00:37:43] at or what

[00:37:43] it's for.

[00:37:44] I love the

[00:37:44] idea of being

[00:37:45] able to just

[00:37:46] pick whatever

[00:37:46] I want to

[00:37:47] eat from this

[00:37:48] large selection

[00:37:49] of different

[00:37:50] foods.

[00:37:51] I don't know,

[00:37:52] it's just so

[00:37:52] satisfying.

[00:37:53] And I guess

[00:37:54] as gross as

[00:37:55] it was,

[00:37:56] I really miss

[00:37:57] hometown buffet.

[00:37:58] Yeah,

[00:37:59] those mozzarella

[00:38:00] sticks slept.

[00:38:02] It was always

[00:38:03] the place

[00:38:03] where big

[00:38:03] families would

[00:38:04] get together

[00:38:05] when they were

[00:38:05] in town.

[00:38:06] That's true.

[00:38:07] Oddly enough,

[00:38:07] it was always

[00:38:08] the place

[00:38:08] where the

[00:38:10] church people

[00:38:10] at the church

[00:38:11] I used to

[00:38:11] go to

[00:38:12] would go

[00:38:12] after funerals

[00:38:14] and events

[00:38:14] like this

[00:38:15] when I was

[00:38:16] growing up

[00:38:16] in Reading.

[00:38:16] For some

[00:38:17] reason,

[00:38:17] we always

[00:38:18] went to

[00:38:18] hometown buffet.

[00:38:19] Yeah,

[00:38:19] that was the

[00:38:20] spot for sure.

[00:38:22] I don't know,

[00:38:22] but for the

[00:38:23] story,

[00:38:23] I think that

[00:38:24] one was quite

[00:38:25] the mind

[00:38:25] vendor,

[00:38:26] the level

[00:38:26] of detail

[00:38:27] they remember.

[00:38:27] It's not

[00:38:28] your typical

[00:38:28] dream.

[00:38:29] It's got

[00:38:30] parallel universes,

[00:38:31] even that kid

[00:38:32] with a basketball

[00:38:33] asking those

[00:38:34] super existential

[00:38:35] questions.

[00:38:36] Yeah,

[00:38:37] the basketball

[00:38:37] kid was kind

[00:38:38] of funny

[00:38:39] when you think

[00:38:39] about it.

[00:38:40] He's like,

[00:38:41] why didn't

[00:38:41] you take me

[00:38:42] with you?

[00:38:42] I would be

[00:38:43] like,

[00:38:44] kid,

[00:38:45] I don't even

[00:38:45] know how

[00:38:46] I got here.

[00:38:48] Yeah,

[00:38:48] don't talk to me,

[00:38:49] you're a stranger

[00:38:49] little boy,

[00:38:50] go home.

[00:38:51] Oh man,

[00:38:52] yeah,

[00:38:53] the idea

[00:38:53] of dying

[00:38:54] in another

[00:38:54] universe

[00:38:55] is always

[00:38:55] an interesting

[00:38:56] topic

[00:38:56] in the

[00:38:57] whole

[00:38:57] multiverse

[00:38:58] theory.

[00:38:58] Like,

[00:38:59] I've died

[00:38:59] in a dream

[00:38:59] a few

[00:39:00] times,

[00:39:00] and that

[00:39:00] is terrifying.

[00:39:01] I got shot

[00:39:02] in the head

[00:39:02] and that

[00:39:02] hurt,

[00:39:03] and I

[00:39:03] died,

[00:39:03] and then

[00:39:04] came to,

[00:39:05] and I was

[00:39:05] still in my

[00:39:06] dream cycle.

[00:39:07] That was

[00:39:07] not fun.

[00:39:08] It was in

[00:39:08] a Sears,

[00:39:08] by the way,

[00:39:09] some random

[00:39:09] person just

[00:39:10] shot me in

[00:39:10] the head

[00:39:10] with a 45

[00:39:11] at the

[00:39:11] register.

[00:39:12] Oh,

[00:39:13] that's a

[00:39:13] nightmare.

[00:39:14] Yeah,

[00:39:14] it was really

[00:39:15] painful.

[00:39:16] Yeah,

[00:39:17] these infinite

[00:39:18] realities where

[00:39:18] every choice

[00:39:19] creates a new

[00:39:20] branch,

[00:39:20] really,

[00:39:21] really

[00:39:21] mind-blowing.

[00:39:22] Yeah,

[00:39:22] yeah.

[00:39:23] So,

[00:39:23] if they died

[00:39:25] there,

[00:39:25] and they

[00:39:26] woke up

[00:39:26] here,

[00:39:27] does that

[00:39:28] mean that

[00:39:28] their

[00:39:28] consciousness

[00:39:29] just said,

[00:39:30] like,

[00:39:30] nah,

[00:39:31] I like

[00:39:31] this version

[00:39:32] better?

[00:39:33] I guess

[00:39:34] so.

[00:39:34] It's like

[00:39:34] some cosmic

[00:39:35] save point,

[00:39:36] I guess.

[00:39:36] You die in

[00:39:37] one timeline,

[00:39:38] but the

[00:39:38] universe

[00:39:38] isn't done

[00:39:39] with you

[00:39:39] yet,

[00:39:40] so you

[00:39:40] just

[00:39:40] respawn

[00:39:41] wherever

[00:39:41] it needs

[00:39:41] you.

[00:39:42] It was also

[00:39:43] cool that

[00:39:43] there were

[00:39:43] some people

[00:39:44] who could

[00:39:45] see him,

[00:39:45] because it

[00:39:46] kind of

[00:39:47] reminded me

[00:39:47] of those

[00:39:48] Robert

[00:39:48] Monroe

[00:39:48] stories,

[00:39:49] where he

[00:39:49] would see

[00:39:50] and interact

[00:39:51] with people

[00:39:51] that he

[00:39:52] knew when

[00:39:52] he was

[00:39:52] having

[00:39:53] out-of-body

[00:39:53] experiences.

[00:39:54] Yeah,

[00:39:55] some people

[00:39:55] didn't remember

[00:39:56] seeing him,

[00:39:57] but then

[00:39:57] there were

[00:39:57] the more

[00:39:58] sensitive

[00:39:58] people who

[00:39:59] could detect

[00:39:59] his presence.

[00:40:01] Yeah,

[00:40:01] it makes

[00:40:01] you wonder

[00:40:02] if the

[00:40:02] afterlife is

[00:40:03] just this

[00:40:04] big chill

[00:40:04] session,

[00:40:05] where you

[00:40:05] can still

[00:40:06] enjoy your

[00:40:07] morning coffee

[00:40:07] with your

[00:40:08] dead grandma

[00:40:08] like they

[00:40:09] did in

[00:40:09] the story,

[00:40:10] and then

[00:40:11] also dip

[00:40:12] in and

[00:40:12] out of

[00:40:12] other

[00:40:13] realities.

[00:40:13] It

[00:40:13] doesn't

[00:40:14] sound too

[00:40:14] bad,

[00:40:14] to be

[00:40:14] honest.

[00:40:15] Yeah,

[00:40:15] when I

[00:40:16] think of

[00:40:16] morning coffee

[00:40:16] with the

[00:40:17] grandma,

[00:40:17] I think

[00:40:17] of

[00:40:18] dead

[00:40:18] alive

[00:40:18] with

[00:40:19] grandma's

[00:40:20] ear

[00:40:20] falling

[00:40:20] into

[00:40:20] the

[00:40:20] soup.

[00:40:21] I

[00:40:21] thought

[00:40:22] the

[00:40:22] same

[00:40:22] thing.

[00:40:25] Yeah,

[00:40:26] this could

[00:40:26] be

[00:40:27] multiverse

[00:40:28] theory,

[00:40:28] a near-death

[00:40:28] experience,

[00:40:29] I don't

[00:40:29] know,

[00:40:30] a super

[00:40:31] vivid

[00:40:31] lucid

[00:40:32] dream,

[00:40:32] some sort

[00:40:33] of astral

[00:40:33] projection.

[00:40:34] What do

[00:40:35] you think

[00:40:35] it really

[00:40:36] boiled down

[00:40:36] to?

[00:40:37] I'm

[00:40:37] leaning

[00:40:37] towards a

[00:40:38] combination

[00:40:38] of

[00:40:39] astral

[00:40:40] projection

[00:40:40] and the

[00:40:41] multiverse

[00:40:41] theory.

[00:40:42] Okay,

[00:40:43] how so?

[00:40:45] So,

[00:40:45] they basically

[00:40:46] described their

[00:40:46] scenario,

[00:40:47] like I said,

[00:40:47] just like

[00:40:48] something you'd

[00:40:48] read out of

[00:40:49] Robert Monroe's

[00:40:50] books,

[00:40:51] like in

[00:40:51] Journeys Out

[00:40:52] of Body.

[00:40:53] And,

[00:40:53] just like

[00:40:54] Robert Monroe

[00:40:54] reported,

[00:40:55] they were

[00:40:56] able to

[00:40:56] shift into

[00:40:57] different

[00:40:57] dimensions

[00:40:58] or universes.

[00:40:58] And he

[00:40:59] just kind of

[00:40:59] described the

[00:41:00] same type of

[00:41:01] thing,

[00:41:02] but he would

[00:41:02] just call them

[00:41:03] locale,

[00:41:03] locale.

[00:41:04] Robert Monroe

[00:41:04] always had

[00:41:05] these weird

[00:41:06] different

[00:41:07] terms and

[00:41:08] phrases and

[00:41:09] words to use

[00:41:09] for things to

[00:41:10] try and make

[00:41:10] it all sound

[00:41:11] scientific because

[00:41:12] he didn't want

[00:41:12] to seem so

[00:41:13] woo-woo.

[00:41:14] Well,

[00:41:14] he's a more

[00:41:15] helpful L. Ron

[00:41:15] Hubbard,

[00:41:16] let's face it.

[00:41:17] Yeah,

[00:41:17] definitely.

[00:41:18] Yeah,

[00:41:19] yeah,

[00:41:19] but yeah,

[00:41:19] he called them

[00:41:20] locales.

[00:41:21] And,

[00:41:21] yeah,

[00:41:21] it just kind of

[00:41:22] reminds me of a

[00:41:22] combination of

[00:41:23] those two things.

[00:41:24] Interesting,

[00:41:25] interesting.

[00:41:26] I think I'm

[00:41:26] with you on that

[00:41:27] one,

[00:41:27] either that or

[00:41:28] just a very

[00:41:29] lucid dream.

[00:41:30] I've had some

[00:41:31] dreams where I

[00:41:31] could have sworn it

[00:41:32] was my real

[00:41:33] waking life,

[00:41:34] like pinch myself

[00:41:35] awake and it's

[00:41:35] like,

[00:41:35] oh no,

[00:41:36] this is real,

[00:41:36] this is real and

[00:41:37] nope.

[00:41:38] Yeah,

[00:41:39] yeah,

[00:41:39] I've had false

[00:41:40] awakenings like

[00:41:40] you were talking

[00:41:41] about earlier where

[00:41:41] I've woken up

[00:41:42] from a dream and

[00:41:43] I only realized I

[00:41:44] wasn't in a dream,

[00:41:45] you know,

[00:41:46] after some time

[00:41:47] passes and I see

[00:41:48] something out of

[00:41:49] the ordinary.

[00:41:49] It's so scary.

[00:41:50] Yeah,

[00:41:51] the false

[00:41:51] awakenings,

[00:41:52] they're just,

[00:41:52] they're all so

[00:41:52] crazy.

[00:41:53] The thought of

[00:41:53] getting stuck in

[00:41:54] a dream loop,

[00:41:55] no,

[00:41:55] no,

[00:41:55] no,

[00:41:56] no,

[00:41:56] no thanks.

[00:41:57] Yeah,

[00:41:57] I hate it when

[00:41:58] that happens.

[00:41:59] Because it happens

[00:42:00] often.

[00:42:03] I guess it

[00:42:04] doesn't happen

[00:42:04] often,

[00:42:05] but you know,

[00:42:06] it happens.

[00:42:07] Yeah,

[00:42:07] they just hate

[00:42:07] it.

[00:42:08] I don't know.

[00:42:09] Good.

[00:42:10] That's a hate.

[00:42:10] That's a hate.

[00:42:11] Yeah.

[00:42:12] Anyways,

[00:42:12] this is a cool

[00:42:12] story and I

[00:42:13] think we have

[00:42:13] some solid

[00:42:14] theories.

[00:42:14] Yeah,

[00:42:15] I'd say so.

[00:42:16] I mean,

[00:42:16] like we said,

[00:42:17] it doesn't just

[00:42:17] feel like a

[00:42:18] regular dream.

[00:42:19] I think the

[00:42:19] way they

[00:42:19] described it

[00:42:20] with all those

[00:42:21] super vivid

[00:42:21] details and

[00:42:22] the feeling of

[00:42:23] actually being

[00:42:24] alive in

[00:42:24] another reality,

[00:42:26] it's like they

[00:42:26] it's like they

[00:42:27] tapped into

[00:42:27] another version,

[00:42:28] like we talked

[00:42:29] about the

[00:42:29] multiverse thing.

[00:42:30] Also the part

[00:42:31] where they woke

[00:42:31] up and felt

[00:42:32] disoriented,

[00:42:33] like being

[00:42:34] dropped back

[00:42:34] into their

[00:42:35] body.

[00:42:35] I wonder if

[00:42:36] we could

[00:42:36] actually ever

[00:42:37] peek into

[00:42:38] our past

[00:42:38] life or

[00:42:39] alternate

[00:42:40] realities,

[00:42:41] like things

[00:42:41] that our

[00:42:41] soul has

[00:42:42] already been

[00:42:42] through or

[00:42:43] could go

[00:42:43] through.

[00:42:44] All that

[00:42:44] stuff just

[00:42:45] super mind

[00:42:45] blowing to

[00:42:46] think about.

[00:42:47] Yeah,

[00:42:48] I mean,

[00:42:48] the whole

[00:42:48] thing wasn't

[00:42:49] all that

[00:42:49] different from

[00:42:50] the rest

[00:42:50] stop story

[00:42:51] where the

[00:42:51] author walked

[00:42:52] into that

[00:42:52] weird David

[00:42:53] Lynch scene.

[00:42:54] Yeah,

[00:42:55] I love that

[00:42:56] these two

[00:42:56] stories kind

[00:42:57] of complemented

[00:42:58] each other.

[00:42:59] And this

[00:42:59] one,

[00:43:00] it was like

[00:43:01] the author

[00:43:01] when they

[00:43:02] were a child

[00:43:03] briefly just

[00:43:04] stepped into

[00:43:05] another dimension

[00:43:05] or universe

[00:43:06] like in their

[00:43:07] waking life.

[00:43:08] So you walk

[00:43:09] into this

[00:43:09] psychedelic

[00:43:10] bingo hall with

[00:43:11] mannequin people

[00:43:11] in wheelchairs

[00:43:12] playing bingo?

[00:43:13] What do you

[00:43:13] do then?

[00:43:15] Well,

[00:43:16] I could totally

[00:43:16] understand why

[00:43:17] they didn't

[00:43:17] tell anyone

[00:43:18] about it.

[00:43:18] I mean,

[00:43:19] who would

[00:43:20] believe a kid

[00:43:21] saying something

[00:43:21] like this?

[00:43:22] Yeah,

[00:43:23] good point.

[00:43:23] That's a

[00:43:24] popular reason

[00:43:25] as any other.

[00:43:26] Yeah.

[00:43:27] So much detail

[00:43:28] though,

[00:43:28] the rainbow

[00:43:29] lights,

[00:43:29] bowling alley

[00:43:30] floors.

[00:43:30] Yeah,

[00:43:31] I love a good

[00:43:31] bowling alley

[00:43:32] or arcade

[00:43:33] floor.

[00:43:34] I've always

[00:43:35] wanted to

[00:43:35] refit an

[00:43:36] entire basement

[00:43:37] with the

[00:43:38] old school

[00:43:38] bowling alley

[00:43:39] or arcade

[00:43:39] carpet.

[00:43:40] I love that

[00:43:41] stuff.

[00:43:41] It just

[00:43:42] gets so gross

[00:43:43] after a while.

[00:43:44] Yeah,

[00:43:45] you gotta

[00:43:45] throw some

[00:43:46] popcorn kernels

[00:43:47] in there on

[00:43:47] purpose.

[00:43:49] But yeah,

[00:43:50] I don't know.

[00:43:50] Everything was

[00:43:51] just so specific

[00:43:52] and uncanny

[00:43:53] in that story.

[00:43:54] It's kind

[00:43:54] of hard to

[00:43:54] chalk it up

[00:43:55] to just an

[00:43:56] overactive

[00:43:56] imagination

[00:43:57] just to get

[00:43:57] back into

[00:43:58] it.

[00:43:59] Yeah,

[00:43:59] yeah.

[00:43:59] And this one

[00:44:00] honestly sounded

[00:44:00] more like a

[00:44:01] time slip.

[00:44:02] You know,

[00:44:03] the flooring,

[00:44:03] the disco

[00:44:04] lights,

[00:44:05] it's like

[00:44:06] some weird

[00:44:06] alternate

[00:44:08] 1970s

[00:44:08] where we're

[00:44:09] all just

[00:44:09] waiters

[00:44:10] serving

[00:44:11] mannequin

[00:44:11] overlords.

[00:44:13] Like,

[00:44:13] it'd be

[00:44:14] kind of

[00:44:14] cool.

[00:44:14] I mean,

[00:44:15] if you

[00:44:15] dress them

[00:44:16] up nicely,

[00:44:17] that'd be

[00:44:17] kind of

[00:44:17] interesting,

[00:44:18] I guess,

[00:44:18] like some

[00:44:19] like a

[00:44:20] retro,

[00:44:21] like futuristic

[00:44:22] retroism.

[00:44:22] Retro

[00:44:23] futurism,

[00:44:23] that's it.

[00:44:24] Like the

[00:44:24] Fallout games,

[00:44:25] I could be

[00:44:25] down for that.

[00:44:26] Yeah,

[00:44:26] yeah.

[00:44:27] It reminded

[00:44:27] me of this

[00:44:27] scene from

[00:44:28] this movie

[00:44:29] I Saw the

[00:44:30] TV Glow that

[00:44:31] came out

[00:44:31] earlier this

[00:44:32] year or

[00:44:32] last year.

[00:44:33] It takes

[00:44:34] place in

[00:44:34] this sort

[00:44:34] of like

[00:44:35] amusement fun

[00:44:36] center type

[00:44:37] place and

[00:44:38] things play

[00:44:40] out eerily

[00:44:41] similar to

[00:44:41] the author's

[00:44:42] story.

[00:44:43] I think I

[00:44:43] remember seeing

[00:44:44] advertisements for

[00:44:45] that one.

[00:44:45] It's different.

[00:44:46] It kind of

[00:44:47] crams a lot

[00:44:47] of concepts

[00:44:48] into a movie

[00:44:49] like alternate

[00:44:51] pasts and

[00:44:52] it also has

[00:44:53] these very

[00:44:54] serious topics

[00:44:55] which I

[00:44:56] can't say

[00:44:56] out loud

[00:44:56] because it

[00:44:57] would spoil

[00:44:57] the movie

[00:44:57] but it's

[00:44:58] all very

[00:44:59] dreamlike.

[00:44:59] It's also

[00:45:00] very in

[00:45:01] love with

[00:45:01] David Lynch

[00:45:02] and that

[00:45:02] surreal style

[00:45:03] of dreamy

[00:45:04] symbolic horror

[00:45:05] that I like.

[00:45:06] So it's

[00:45:07] definitely not

[00:45:07] for everyone

[00:45:08] but if you

[00:45:08] like that

[00:45:09] kind of stuff

[00:45:09] it's a

[00:45:10] memorable movie

[00:45:11] and I

[00:45:11] actually find

[00:45:11] myself thinking

[00:45:12] about it

[00:45:12] pretty often.

[00:45:13] Did you

[00:45:14] like toys?

[00:45:15] Oh I

[00:45:15] love toys.

[00:45:16] I wouldn't

[00:45:17] compare it to

[00:45:17] toys but

[00:45:18] I will say

[00:45:19] that's like

[00:45:19] the perfect

[00:45:20] amount of

[00:45:20] like absurdist

[00:45:22] silly

[00:45:23] dramatic

[00:45:24] tense

[00:45:25] type of

[00:45:25] movie.

[00:45:26] For sure.

[00:45:27] That movie

[00:45:27] is so weird

[00:45:28] and hard

[00:45:28] to describe.

[00:45:29] Yeah.

[00:45:30] Yeah.

[00:45:30] I love it.

[00:45:31] Yeah.

[00:45:32] But yeah

[00:45:32] that I saw

[00:45:33] the TV glow

[00:45:33] very cool.

[00:45:34] It makes

[00:45:34] you uncomfortable

[00:45:35] and squirmy

[00:45:36] all throughout

[00:45:37] the whole movie.

[00:45:37] I liked it.

[00:45:38] I'll have to

[00:45:38] check it out

[00:45:39] then.

[00:45:40] Yeah

[00:45:40] definitely.

[00:45:41] Not kidding.

[00:45:42] I'll try

[00:45:43] to.

[00:45:43] I'll try.

[00:45:44] I mean

[00:45:44] such an

[00:45:45] empty gesture

[00:45:46] but let's be

[00:45:47] realistic.

[00:45:47] The huge

[00:45:48] lists of

[00:45:49] recommendations

[00:45:49] for each

[00:45:50] other.

[00:45:50] I know.

[00:45:51] I know.

[00:45:51] So willy

[00:45:52] nilly.

[00:45:52] Yeah.

[00:45:53] Yeah.

[00:45:53] I'll commit

[00:45:53] two hours

[00:45:54] plus to my

[00:45:54] life and

[00:45:55] check out

[00:45:56] your

[00:45:56] recommendation.

[00:45:57] I do

[00:45:57] tend to

[00:45:58] watch

[00:45:58] things if

[00:45:59] like at

[00:45:59] least two

[00:46:00] people

[00:46:00] recommend

[00:46:00] it to

[00:46:01] me.

[00:46:01] like okay

[00:46:01] you know

[00:46:01] these people

[00:46:02] know me

[00:46:02] they both

[00:46:03] recommended

[00:46:03] something I

[00:46:04] should probably

[00:46:04] check it

[00:46:05] out.

[00:46:05] But still

[00:46:06] got to

[00:46:06] watch All

[00:46:06] Quiet on the

[00:46:07] Western Front.

[00:46:08] Oh yeah

[00:46:08] that's so

[00:46:09] good.

[00:46:09] So good.

[00:46:10] Speaking

[00:46:11] of good

[00:46:12] smooth

[00:46:13] transitions

[00:46:13] here.

[00:46:15] Getting

[00:46:15] that Waverly

[00:46:17] by Amber.

[00:46:18] Always nice

[00:46:18] getting another

[00:46:19] one in.

[00:46:20] Yeah yeah

[00:46:20] definitely it

[00:46:21] was a spooky

[00:46:21] one.

[00:46:23] That woman

[00:46:23] in the

[00:46:24] white gown.

[00:46:26] Why is it

[00:46:26] always a

[00:46:27] white gown?

[00:46:28] It's like

[00:46:28] the dress

[00:46:28] code.

[00:46:29] It really

[00:46:29] is.

[00:46:30] The timing

[00:46:31] is interesting

[00:46:32] too.

[00:46:32] They see this

[00:46:33] woman at

[00:46:33] 2 a.m.

[00:46:34] on a

[00:46:34] random

[00:46:35] Tuesday

[00:46:35] in a

[00:46:35] secluded

[00:46:36] park

[00:46:36] and years

[00:46:37] later

[00:46:37] the tour

[00:46:38] guide

[00:46:38] basically

[00:46:38] describes

[00:46:39] her

[00:46:39] identically.

[00:46:41] I don't

[00:46:41] think it's

[00:46:41] just a

[00:46:42] coincidence.

[00:46:42] I'm just

[00:46:43] saying not

[00:46:44] just a

[00:46:44] coincidence.

[00:46:46] Especially

[00:46:46] because it's

[00:46:47] not like

[00:46:47] the park

[00:46:48] is easy

[00:46:48] to walk

[00:46:49] to.

[00:46:49] Who

[00:46:50] just

[00:46:50] strolls

[00:46:51] out there

[00:46:51] in the

[00:46:52] middle

[00:46:52] of the

[00:46:52] night?

[00:46:53] You know?

[00:46:53] Plus

[00:46:54] the gown

[00:46:55] the hair

[00:46:56] that whole

[00:46:56] vibe

[00:46:57] it's

[00:46:57] just a

[00:46:57] lot.

[00:46:58] Exactly

[00:46:58] exactly

[00:46:59] and what

[00:46:59] about how

[00:47:00] Amber

[00:47:00] just

[00:47:01] left

[00:47:01] that

[00:47:02] gun

[00:47:02] instinct

[00:47:02] to

[00:47:03] boom

[00:47:03] dip

[00:47:03] out

[00:47:04] of

[00:47:04] there?

[00:47:05] Gotta

[00:47:05] appreciate

[00:47:06] that

[00:47:06] intuitive

[00:47:06] survival

[00:47:07] sense.

[00:47:08] Oh yeah

[00:47:08] 100%

[00:47:09] and

[00:47:09] fight or

[00:47:10] flight

[00:47:11] kicked

[00:47:11] in

[00:47:11] hard.

[00:47:13] Honestly

[00:47:13] though I

[00:47:14] can't blame

[00:47:14] her.

[00:47:14] If I

[00:47:15] saw

[00:47:15] someone

[00:47:15] like

[00:47:16] that

[00:47:16] just

[00:47:17] gliding

[00:47:17] out

[00:47:18] of

[00:47:18] nowhere

[00:47:18] my

[00:47:19] foot

[00:47:19] would

[00:47:19] hit

[00:47:19] the

[00:47:19] gas

[00:47:20] as

[00:47:20] well.

[00:47:21] Yeah

[00:47:21] same

[00:47:21] same.

[00:47:22] What

[00:47:22] if

[00:47:23] they

[00:47:23] had

[00:47:23] stayed?

[00:47:23] I

[00:47:24] wonder

[00:47:24] if

[00:47:24] they

[00:47:30] were

[00:47:31] worse

[00:47:31] what

[00:47:31] if

[00:47:32] she

[00:47:32] had

[00:47:32] turned

[00:47:32] and

[00:47:32] looked

[00:47:33] at

[00:47:33] them?

[00:47:34] It's

[00:47:34] always

[00:47:35] creepier

[00:47:35] when

[00:47:35] ghosts

[00:47:36] acknowledge

[00:47:36] you.

[00:47:37] I don't

[00:47:37] know

[00:47:37] why.

[00:47:38] Yeah

[00:47:38] I mean

[00:47:39] I think

[00:47:39] the blank

[00:47:40] stare is

[00:47:41] enough but

[00:47:41] any sort

[00:47:42] of tilt

[00:47:43] or head

[00:47:43] turn

[00:47:44] that's

[00:47:44] no it's

[00:47:44] like the

[00:47:45] creepy doll

[00:47:45] that kind

[00:47:46] of like

[00:47:46] creaks its

[00:47:46] head on

[00:47:47] the shelf

[00:47:48] you know.

[00:47:49] Yeah

[00:47:50] I used

[00:47:50] to have

[00:47:51] this weird

[00:47:51] thought

[00:47:52] in my

[00:47:53] head.

[00:47:53] It was

[00:47:53] like I

[00:47:53] saw an

[00:47:54] image

[00:47:54] play

[00:47:55] that never

[00:47:56] happened.

[00:47:57] Maybe it

[00:47:57] came from

[00:47:57] a dream.

[00:47:58] Maybe it

[00:47:58] came from

[00:47:58] a movie

[00:47:59] I saw

[00:47:59] but I

[00:47:59] would

[00:48:00] always

[00:48:00] think

[00:48:00] when

[00:48:00] passing

[00:48:01] the

[00:48:02] bedrooms

[00:48:02] in my

[00:48:03] old

[00:48:03] apartment

[00:48:04] when I

[00:48:04] was a

[00:48:04] kid

[00:48:05] I

[00:48:05] would

[00:48:05] say

[00:48:05] probably

[00:48:06] 8

[00:48:06] years

[00:48:06] old.

[00:48:07] I

[00:48:07] always

[00:48:07] imagine

[00:48:07] this

[00:48:08] scene

[00:48:08] where

[00:48:08] there

[00:48:08] would

[00:48:08] be

[00:48:09] some

[00:48:09] kind

[00:48:09] of

[00:48:09] ghoul

[00:48:10] like

[00:48:10] a

[00:48:10] ghost

[00:48:10] or

[00:48:11] some

[00:48:12] old

[00:48:12] hag

[00:48:12] in

[00:48:13] the

[00:48:13] room

[00:48:14] and

[00:48:15] as I

[00:48:15] walked

[00:48:15] by

[00:48:16] they

[00:48:16] would

[00:48:16] notice

[00:48:16] me

[00:48:17] turn

[00:48:17] and

[00:48:17] look

[00:48:17] at

[00:48:18] me

[00:48:18] and

[00:48:18] look

[00:48:18] surprised

[00:48:19] and

[00:48:20] for

[00:48:20] some

[00:48:21] reason

[00:48:21] that

[00:48:22] image

[00:48:23] always

[00:48:24] scared

[00:48:24] me

[00:48:24] I

[00:48:24] always

[00:48:25] imagined

[00:48:25] that

[00:48:25] happening

[00:48:26] for

[00:48:37] to

[00:48:38] think

[00:48:41] how

[00:48:41] old

[00:48:42] hag

[00:48:42] sounds

[00:48:42] like

[00:48:43] such

[00:48:43] a

[00:48:43] harsh

[00:48:43] term

[00:48:44] like

[00:48:44] I

[00:48:45] don't

[00:48:45] know

[00:48:45] he

[00:48:45] might

[00:48:45] as

[00:48:46] well

[00:48:46] be

[00:48:46] saying

[00:48:46] geriatric

[00:48:47] core. It's just kind of rude. So how many people have to see her before she becomes part of the

[00:48:57] official lore? She's not just a one-off encounter. She's practically a celebrity as far as as far as

[00:49:03] hauntings go. They talk about her on the tour, so I guess that's pretty official, but I just want to

[00:49:09] know who she is or like how she came to be if it's something with the property or whatever.

[00:49:13] You know how places like Waverly Hills tend to trap energy? It could be, I don't know,

[00:49:18] something tied to the hospital, but not necessarily from a tragic death, just, you know, stuck there,

[00:49:24] lingering. Yeah, that's the creepiest part. It's not just the building that's haunted. It's the

[00:49:30] entire property as far as we can tell. Wonder if she'll stick around there for, I don't know, much

[00:49:35] longer. Yeah, there's only one way to find out. Hey, you took the bait. Let's do it. No, thanks.

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[00:50:06] All right, try it out.

[00:50:08] Let's do this.

[00:50:10] The ghosts and the ghouls disturb you, darling.

[00:50:29] Try it out. Try it out, man. Try it out.